Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

cobalt252

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Looking at a 2001 Cobalt with an 8.1L (496) Volvo Penta engine. The owner doesn't know what model engine it is and neither does the mechanic. I have asked (and waiting) for engine and drive serial nr.

Does anyone know by looking at the picture if this is a mercruiser 496 HO or a Volvo Penta 8.1L GSI or GSXI, or something else? What should I be asking for? What makes one type of engine more desirable over another? I prefer a Volvo Penta engine.

Thanks for your help!

cobalt246 engine.jpgcobalt246 outdrive.jpg
 

insttech1

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

Well at least it says volvo all all over the hoses:)
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

You can't tell one model from another by looking at them, that's why there are model and serial numbers
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

Yeah, what threw me off was the lack of a cover ... which it is missing (strange).

Usually something like this:

cobalt-262 8.1L Gi engine.jpg

But, I am starting to believe (and hope) that this is a GXi (the 420 HP version). We'll see when I get the S.N.

BTW, anyone know the difference between an 8.1L Gi and a GXi?
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

Don,
Absolutely--the numbers are critical. But for a down-and-dirty response to an urgent (i.e. asterisk) post, and just wanting to know if it's a VP or a Merc, the pic's will show it's a VP.
The rest he has to research, as for liters, etc....and get input on which is better.
Thanks Much.
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

OK, I found the answer on how to identify Volvo Penta engines ... from http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopent...pages/faq_model_name.aspx?print=yes?print=yes

How do I identify my Volvo Penta gas engine and what does the model name tell me about the engine?

A metal tag is riveted to all Volvo Penta engines. Some of our products also have the information on a decal on the top of the product. Locate any of these on your engine and you will know the model. In the case above the name is 5.7Gi-B.

What does the model name tell me about my engine?

Several methods have been used to provide the engines with unique names. Some were based on horsepower ratings. More recent names are based on the displacement of the engine in liters.

Each time the name was changed, it was due to some change in the parts content of the engine. Sometimes the changes were minor, sometimes they were major. The changes may or may not affect the parts that you need for example a repair.

There are three distinct periods of gas engine production, each with a different naming method.

Red Engines, early
Very early engines, built until the late 1980.s, were named based on the displacement (early) or horsepower (later) of the engines. The name started with AQ (sterndrive engine), BB (inboard) or MB (inboard). Next came the number for the displacement or horsepower. Most of these also included a one letter suffix, for version control. An AQ271A is older (and different) than a AQ271B.
Examples: AQ260A, AQ171C, AQ200F, BB260A

These engine names then changed to a system based on displacement. The names were a three digit number, followed by a letter. The first two digits of the number represented the displacement. The 43 in 434A meant the engine was a 4.3L. The third digit was used for version control. A 430 and a 431 are both 4.3L.s, however the last digit indicates there is difference between the engines. The numbers at the third digit were not always sequential. 430.s were built before 431.s, however 432.s and 434.s were built at the same time.

The letter at the end was also used for version control and was sequential. A 500A was built before a 500B. These engines went out of production in 1993.
Examples: 432A, 500B, 251A, 740B

Nothing in the names in either of these systems relates in any way to years of production. Some of these engines were in production for less than a year, others for many years.

Charcoal engines

These engines were built during the joint venture with OMC and were painted a dark charcoal color. They were usually named by long character strings that contain two numbers followed by a series of letters.
  • The two numbers are the displacement.
  • Next is the letter that indicates who made the base engine. ( G=GM, F=Ford)
  • After that, one or two letters that note the fuel system and/or output. L=Limited, S=Superior, X=Exceptional, i or I=Fuel injected (no I means carburated).
  • Then one letter for the steering system. P=Power steering, M=Manual steering, X=Exact steering, I=Inboard
  • The next two letters are the most important for finding parts. These are random letter pairs that indicate the years of production for the engine. All parts information for these engines is based on these letter codes, including the charts that follow later in the book.
MD = 1993-1994 BY = 1997-1998
HU = 1994-1995 WT = 1998-1999
NC = 1995-1996 EF = 1999-2000
LK = 1996-1997

The next letter is also random and is used for version control. An .A. may not be the first version. .A.C. may not have been built before an .S.. An .S. in one engine's name may not mean the same thing as an .S. in another engine's name, especially if the engines have different displacements or production years. When needed this code is noted in the charts. There are instances where it is needed to find the right column for an engine.

Some names have the letters .CE. at the end. This indicates the engine meets certain emission requirements. The only service part affected is the ECU. These part numbers are noted when needed in the catalogs.

These engines went out of production in 2000.

Examples:

4.3GLPBYC = 4.3L, G=GM, L=limited output, carbureted (no i), P=power steering, BY=built 1997-1998, C=service code for version control.

5.8FSiPNCACE = 5.8L, Ford, Superior output, injected, power steering, NC=built 1995-1996, A service code, certified emissions.

7.4GLPHUS = 7.4L, GM, limited output, carbureted, power steering, HU=built 1994-1995, S service code.

3.0GLMMDA = 3.0L, GM, LIMITED output, carbureted, manual steering, MD=built 1993 1994, A service code.

Red Engines, current

Beginning in 2000 the gas engines are painted red again. The naming system was also changed. The first part of the name is the same as the charcoal engines, up to the letters for the fuel system.
  • The two numbers are the displacement.
  • Next is a letter that indicates who made the base engine. New engines have been added that use Volvo Penta's new Ocean Series sterndrives, these engines have an OS for this letter.
  • After that, one or two letters that note the fuel system and/or output.
  • For 3.0L only, there is an M or P for the steering
  • For Inboard engines only, there is an I after the lower case i.
  • Then a dash (-) followed by a one or two letter suffix. This is the major change from the charcoal engines above.
  • The first letter is the version control, this is present on all current engines. .A is the first version, -B is the second version, etc. There is no link between the suffix and production years. All engines with .A were not built the same year. A 5.7GXi-B and a 5.0GXi-B are not similar. A 4.3GL-D is newer than and different from a 4.3GL-C.
  • The second letter, if present is always an F, it notes that the engine is freshwater cooled.
    Examples: 3.0GLM-C, 4.3GXi-DF, 5.0OSi-E, 8.1GXiI-B
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

OK, we're getting closer. According to the manufacturer of this boat, only 3 Volvo Penta engine choices were available in 2001 in the 8.1L (496 c.i.) class: the Gi and two versions of the GSi (no GXi - too bad).

...still waiting for the engine s/n ... mechanic went deer hunting for the weekend ... owner doesn't have a clue ...

Cobalt 246 2001 engine choices.jpg
 

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Dude, I posted a link that showed you where to find the number. Even a picture.
Until you get the serial number or the full model number, you are just plain guessing. The year of the boat, may not be the year of the engine. That is why they go by model and SN.
You can find all the explanations of how the different models are numbered, and lists of all the different 8.1 made, but until you get the number you have no way of know what that particular one is.
The difference between the Gi and the GXi can be nothing more than ECM changes.
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

Don,

Thank you, I appreciate your advice, and if I were near the boat, I would look for it myself ... but I am 8 hrs away, the mechanic who has the boat went deer hunting for the weekend and the owner lives an hour from the marina ... but thanks again!
 

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Have you talked to the owner? He may have the numbers at home for safe keeping and records.
 

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Re: Please help identify this (Volvo Penta) engine ...

If the owner can find the hull number for the boat, or call his insurance company and get it from them (they should have it on file), then the manufacturer can at least tell you what engine and serial number were originally put into that hull....just a thought.

Yeah, I know....it may have been replaced....but at least you can have some idea before waiting out the whole weekend....
 

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OK, this story has ended.

I got the HIN and called Cobalt (the manufacturer) ? they said this boat has never been registered ?. But the original Bill of Material showed an impressive list of stock and custom ordered items. So far, so good ... Engine turns out to be an 8.1L Gi-DP (s/n 4012033880) making it a less desirable 375HP ? but with the F8 SS DP it was rated at a top speed of 60MPH!

Boat is currently for sale by the owner of an auto body shop (first clue!) ... He put a custom stripe on it (second clue!), but hey, it?s possible ? And the boat is on a roller trailer (third clue!) ...

Called the local Cobalt dealer in town ? they immediately recognized the boat ? had been for sale locally for over a year ? they said to STAY AWAY FROM IT!

Story is that the boat came off a trailer at high speed, and suffered extensive damage to hull and outdrive (now the custom stripe makes sense). Basically scrap value (although engine and some other parts should be okay).


Here?s a pic. Nice looking boat, isn?t it? Wouldn't you be interested?

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Looks nice...but if the guy didn't tell you up front it had a salvage title....:eek:

At least you know now, and not after you bought it....

You know, I think I'd look up that Napa on Google and write a nice little review about the ownership....
 

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It's not the NAPA store, it's the bodyshop across the street who owns this boat .... I am debating what to do. So far I have alerted Cobalt, the manufacturer, by reporting the HIN. They're registering this info in their database.

This kind of a problem is a common occurence with high end, and not so high end cars ... so why not with boats. All I can offer is CAVEAT EMPTOR ... and sharing my experience on forums like this.
 

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It's not the NAPA store, it's the bodyshop across the street who owns this boat .... I am debating what to do. So far I have alerted Cobalt, the manufacturer, by reporting the HIN. They're registering this info in their database.

This kind of a problem is a common occurence with high end, and not so high end cars ... so why not with boats. All I can offer is CAVEAT EMPTOR ... and sharing my experience on forums like this.

Ayuh,... Boats, 'n Cars are Repairable,...
I think yer jumping the gun, condemning this guy...

A Proper repair ain't a bad thing ya know....
 

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Bond-o,
I completely agree with you about proper repair. However, if the seller didn't disclose these facts up front, or tried to stonewall the info (the mechanic can't find a model number???), then that is not a good thing. The owner owns a body shop? And he didn't disclose any of this at all? Come on...

And a finance company, or insurance company, may want much more documentation/inspection fees than they would for a boat that hadn't been tossed off a trailer, if they'll even cover its value at all.

Just my two cents....
 

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OK, this story has ended.

Here?s a pic. Nice looking boat, isn?t it? Wouldn't you be interested?

Nope. Bowrider, Not a chance (but I'd take both engine and outdrive) :redface:
 

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Bond-o:

Condemning is too strong a word ... I agree, proper repair is fine. My current boat was tossed on the rocks and repaired properly by a competent fiberglass shop. The repair is part of the boats HIN records and I wouldn't hide it from the next buyer ... but would I give this seller my money after I asked him TWICE about any damage or repair to the hull? The answer is No.

If you are interested, I would be glad to give you his name and number and you can explore ... It'd be interesting to hear about his reaction and what your take on it might be.

insttech1:

Agree as well ... just too many inconsistencies to make this a deal worth considering. I may make an offer on the engine ... although an 8.1L GXi would be my preference.
 
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