Limp Mode Causes

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I have a 97 four wins with a 5.7 Volvo penta which goes into limp mode. I have replaced the oxy sensors, both fuel pumps, changed oil, dist. module, plugs and wires, ECM, TPS, The throttle body assy goes into limp mode and shuts down one side of the injector before it planes out. Been fighting this problem for 2 1/2 years with no change at all. Yesterday replaced high pressure pump because it got to where it would just die. Replaced low pressure pump about 2 years ago.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jim ps the local boat dealer does not have software to diagnose and said wouldn't purchase because it fit one year only. Model # is 3868413 Serial # is T00373238
 
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When you say it goes onto limp mode, are you talking about the mode that limits you to 2500 RPM? If so, there is a oil pressure switch and temp switch that will send it into limp mode. You need to check both of those.

Also, a 97 engine won't have oxygen sensors. What do you actually have?
 

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Model # is 3868413 Serial # is T00373238
Jimconway75229, Your model Number looks to be more for your Transom vs the engine system. Here should be the parts catalog for the usable model number posted. https://www.volvopentashop.com/epc/e...ions%2F7749307

The serial number was more part of the OMC component model during the Volvo/OMC joint venture so it's not as much help for Volvo look up like the model number is as shown above.

Bruce, I'm thinking he meant to say the exhaust temp sensors on top of the exhaust risers vs o2 sensors.

Jim with an open mind that these are GM trucks with throttle bodies of the same design all won't be the exact same mentioned but the "concept" will be about the same as your boat... Maybe you'll pick up on an idea to try in the 2 following links..... The guy on page 2 mentions a sticky injector due to old gas and when he tapped on the top of the injector, he got his running good which seems interesting...Maybe you'll get that lucky too?? If not you'll need a noid light tester to see if you are losing a signal at the injector should a limiter be kicking in somewhere.
http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/sh...hp?tid/257512/
http://www.justanswer.com/gm/4gnnl-1...-injector.html

Also maybe try searching online "GM throttle body injectors only spray out on side" .... There's some good info there.... < Also check out a few of the videos to see if it may help you out any.

Keep this topic updated please, good luck.
 
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The serial and model numbers come off the carb cover side, where I was told to get them by the dealer. He basically said the motor was a mercruiser with a volvo penta outdrive, which he said was commonj in 97.

As far as limp mode I was told in limp mode one of the injectors shuts down. That is what it is doing. I actually changed the wires and the other injector shut down. I watched them with the boat running in the lake. We changed both of the injectors out, but with some used ones we had. When the wires were swapped from one to the other and the other one quit I assumed they were working properly. I read up on limp mode on the internet. Was told by a boat mechanic he swapped the oxygen sensors, not really sure what he changed. It was located at the water drain of the block on the left side facing front of engine. Was a fitting there with this looked like a pressure switch in the end and a 1/4" pipe plug in the side to winterize boat. I thought it was water temp, but he may of said knock sensor instead of oxygen sensor. This thing is driving me crazy. I guess the brain tells the engine to go in limp mode when it detects a problem. That part alone was over 1,000.00 He also replaced the oil pressure switch and the temp sending unit.
 
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also I will get an oil pressure switch and temp switch and replace both, can't be sure he replaced them when I wasn't there, but he said he did.
 

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Sorry to hear you bought a new ECM to throw parts at this issue.....Honestly I'd venture to say you may as well keep the ECM as they are becoming harder by the year to obtain as this system is starting to date itself out... Should you ever sell the boat then maybe sell the ECM online/eBay or offer it at a higher cost to the new owner for a just in case situation.

Typically 3 things could put this system into "SLOW" mode which could be either High Engine Temp, Low Engine Oil psi and "should" your engine model have these, there maybe two little sensors found near the top of the exhaust manifold risers/elbows...If you do have them, it would look something like item number 8 for example only, http://www.volvopentastore.com/Exhau...view_id.769069

Here's a test to try as well, http://www.justanswer.com/boat/58m57-volvo-penta-5-7-gl-c-vortec-fuel-injected-think.html

If you do have them and either of the two exhaust elbow sensors become compromised from physical damage or read to high of temp, they could put you into slow mode.. Anything over 160 degrees could do it or if the sensors where over tightened including overtightening the wiring nut should it be of that design could damage the sensor.

Here's some good info regarding the systems that go into "Engine Protection Mode" vs a "Rev Limiter" which one system turns off one injector bank/side while the other turns off both banks. http://www.justanswer.com/boat/2e4rc...reduction.html ...Versus http://www.boatinfo.no/lib/volvo/man...y_efi.html#/24

Just recalled that the older engines call this feature SLOW Mode while the later engines changed the name to Engine Protection Mode.

^ With that, When you bough the new ECM, was it the same exact design or did you have to upgrade to a different design + MEFI number which may have had a different wiring harness kit too?

Since you don't have access to a marine scan tool, here's an ingenious way to check for Data Trouble Codes on the MEFI fuel injected system/ECM like you have, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEwwa6D2jM

Due you happen to know your full engine model such as 5.7GSIPBYDCE for example? If needed, the info below may help you find the model type.
DECODING THE VOLVO PENTA MODEL NUMBERING SYSTEM
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Typical Volvo Penta Engine ID Plate
All Volvo engines come from the factory with a metal tag riveted on the engine or outdrive which has the serial number and the engine identification.​


From the late eighties and up, the serial number should be ten digits in length. If you can provide us with this number, most of the time we can tell you exactly what the engine or outdrive is along with the year of production.
Routine engine maintenance, including the timely replacement of gas and oil filters on your boat is the key to a long marine engine service life. One challenge that people often face is how to correctly identify what they have for an engine.

Volvo Penta has over the years had several different methods of identification. Engines built before 1993 are painted red in color. Until the late eighties, the engines had a prefix which told you what type of application it was: inboard (MB or BB) or inboard out board (AQ), followed by a displacement or horsepower rating number, depending on the year. A letter on the end indicated the production version. So if you have an engine that says AQ131B on it, we know:
  • it is an inboard/out board (AQ131B)
  • it has approximately 131 shaft hp (aq131B)
  • it was produced in 1986 or 87 (aq131B)
The later models in this series (early nineties) changed to a system based on displacement. Engine models had a three-digit number followed by a letter. For example, the 43 in 430 signifies that the displacement is 4.3 liters and the third digit is for model control. A 434 and a 432 are both 4.3 litter engines but the different third digits indicates a difference between the two engines. Volvo manufactured this family of engines until 1993.
Incidentally, from 1993 to 1998 or so Volvo supplied both engines and sterndrives to OMC. The drives were branded OMC Cobras but were really manufactured by Volvo. These engine models had a two-digit number and followed by a string of letters to identify the year and model. For example a 4.3GLPNCA is 4.3 litters, and the:
G identifies that it is a General Motors block,
L tells you that it is limited output. L= limited, S= Superior, X= exceptional i = stands for fuel injection (the lack of and &#147;i&#148; means that it is carbureted)
P tells you that it has power steering,
NC identifies that it is a 1996 model year and
A is the service code for version control.
The fourth and fifth (or fifth and sixth) letters always identify the year of the particular engine in question. The year codes for different years is as follows:
MD = 1993-1994
HU = 1994-1995
NC = 1996-1997
BY = 1997-1998
WT = 1998-1999
EF = 1999-2000
 
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I don't have pic. but I'll get one this weekend. The ECM was a direct replacement with matching numbers. I'm nor sure on temp sensors I'll check on those too. That was a very interesting article on getting codes, but that doesn't look like my ecm. I'll get a picture of it too. I'll also check for the engine id number. Thanks a lot guys. jim
 

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I'll get some pics and check the numbers and look for the exhaust sensors. Thanks for the feedback. jim

If you have them
Look on the top backside of the elbow. There should be one small wire running back to it. There will be a sensor on each elbow. If the sensor is bad it will put the engine into limp mode and will give off a steady loud alarm. The code will be stored and it needs to be removed with a diagnostics. The code does not go away otherwise.
Exhaust sensors will not shut down your fuel (shuts down one side of the injector)
 
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Engine does not have the exhaust sensors. model # 3868413 serial T00373238 located on valve cover. Correct what it does is not shut down will shut down one injector. I thought the fuel pump replacement maybe was the problem, but after does the same thing. Will start but when TPI reduces idle speed appears to miss and then die. With TPI unplugged it keeps running but at the high idle. With TPI plugged up at 3000 rpm it runs smooth. Keep in mind boat is on trailer now not in lake. Took pics with phone but can't or don't know how to post them here.
 
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No exhaust sensors. Now the problem is when it starts will miss and die when TPI reduces idle. When unplugged it will high idle and run ok it seems.Thats what happens it shuts down one injector before, now it just idles rough and dies at idle.
 
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