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  • gas additives for outboards?

    well just bought a 2 hp motor and going to break it in bought some fuel from local station but instead of ethanol it has tactrol looked it up its some sort of cleaner anyone know if its alright for an outboard?


  • #2
    Re: gas additives for outboards?

    Howdy,

    Here's what you probably found on the WIki....


    Tactrol is Petro-Canada's trademarked name for an additive used in its petrol/gasoline.
    Petro-Canada claims that Tactrol prevents the build-up of deposits in automobile engines. Tactrol is used in all Petro-Canada gasoline, but the SuperClean brand contains more Tactrol. Petro-Canada also sells Tactrol in bottles.
    The formulation of Tactrol is proprietary to Petro-Canada. Petro-Canada describes Tactrol as acting "like a detergent", but there is little independent scientific verification of the efficacy and safety of this substance.
    The additive package(s) in todays gasolines are designed by companies like Lubrizol, Shell Chemical, Castrol, and a few others. They are fairly standardized (and EPA approved) They get many trade names like Tactrol, Techron, etc.

    The additives are not usually made by the gasoline refineries but are made by Lubrizol and those other manufacturers. Tactrol may not even be made by Petro-Canada.....


    It's a marketing name. Go hang around a refinery some time......you'll see all sorts of different trucks lining up to load there! (they all load from the same "stream")


    Regards,


    Rick
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    • #3
      Re: gas additives for outboards?

      so ok to use then?

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      • #4
        Re: gas additives for outboards?

        Any "pump" gas is ok to use. All the outboard manufacturers indicate that current gasolines are "ok" to use.

        DO NOT USE ANY GAS from a pump that indicates ethanol content higher than 10% (E15, E85 etc)

        Ethanol is currently the only oxygenate approved for use in the US (maybe for political reasons)

        If Ethanol bothers you, there's stationsw in the US and Canada that claim to provide ethanol free fuel if you want.

        http://pure-gas.org/

        I don't know if the stations are current or if they guarantee lack of ethanol.

        If you're worried about it, get an ethanol testing kit from EAA or other supplier and test the fuel.

        Cheers,


        Rick
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        I use xxx oil and have never had a problem........
        This post was created with OpenSuSE x64 Linux!

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        • #5
          Re: gas additives for outboards?

          StarTron by StarBrite is sold at Napa Auto Parts, and it eliminates the ethanol from the gasoline. Ethanol is an excellent cleaner, but has less energy per gallon than gasoline, thus resulting in less fuel mileage. Ethanol can be harmful to 2stroke engines. The only oil the engine receives is what is in the gasoline, but the ethanol will wash the oil off of the cylinder walls causing the piston to come back up dry, which will result in premature engine wear. Good investment for about $10 per bottle. It will also rejuvenate "old" gas, and keeps fuel fresh for up to 2 years. Give it a shot. Even has a water remover to get rid of any moisture you may have in the tank. Hope this helps!

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          • #6
            Re: gas additives for outboards?

            Originally posted by 85 BOMBER View Post
            StarTron by StarBrite is sold at Napa Auto Parts, and it eliminates the ethanol from the gasoline. Ethanol is an excellent cleaner, but has less energy per gallon than gasoline, thus resulting in less fuel mileage. Ethanol can be harmful to 2stroke engines. The only oil the engine receives is what is in the gasoline, but the ethanol will wash the oil off of the cylinder walls causing the piston to come back up dry, which will result in premature engine wear. Good investment for about $10 per bottle. It will also rejuvenate "old" gas, and keeps fuel fresh for up to 2 years. Give it a shot. Even has a water remover to get rid of any moisture you may have in the tank. Hope this helps!
            Almost every word of what you just typed is false.

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            • #7
              Re: gas additives for outboards?

              Originally posted by 85 BOMBER View Post
              StarTron by StarBrite is sold at Napa Auto Parts, and it eliminates the ethanol from the gasoline. Ethanol is an excellent cleaner, but has less energy per gallon than gasoline, thus resulting in less fuel mileage. Ethanol can be harmful to 2stroke engines. The only oil the engine receives is what is in the gasoline, but the ethanol will wash the oil off of the cylinder walls causing the piston to come back up dry, which will result in premature engine wear. Good investment for about $10 per bottle. It will also rejuvenate "old" gas, and keeps fuel fresh for up to 2 years. Give it a shot. Even has a water remover to get rid of any moisture you may have in the tank. Hope this helps!
              WOW, so you are suggesting that people increase their cost at each fill up by $10 based on something that you obviously read off the label of the product which is so far from the truth that it's borderline comical.

              If what you said was true then anyone running ethanol gas without an additive would be replacing their motor every boating season, now seriously, where did you get this information from, the label or did you make it up?
              1985 Baretta Vanguard 16ft & 1984 Evinrude 75hp O/B

              ****Running your motor without water is like peeing into the wind, it's a stupid impulse that is going to be a mess later****

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              • #8
                Re: gas additives for outboards?

                http://www.evinrude-parts.com/outboa...endations.html
                Even Evinrude tells that it's harmful. Outboard repair shops here in the south are full of small outboards needing repairs due to ethanol.Star Tron Convert

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                From Suzuki Outboard Forum

                I had been having increasingly poor idle and poor low RPM performance. Starting as like a magic trick with setting a high idle and quickly shifting into gear, hopeing it would not stall. My DF 70 would cut off and the worst times....approaching the dock...slow maneuvering etc. The problem started slowly last year and has gotten worse until I felt that the shop was the next stop.

                I fuss over my engine and keep it up well. Cleaning and checking here and there. I new set of plugs did not help. I blew out the fuel system and checked for water. Cleaned all the filters. All clear. I regularly run Suzuki brand fuel injector cleaner mixed with the fuel.

                I did a lot reading and researching and decided to run some Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment. BINGO! With the first 6 gallons things started looking up. Better idle and starting. Smoother low PRM running.

                24 gallons later. Have my old DF 70 back with all the great performance I was used to.

                Damned E 10 fuel to hell. Put the corn on the plant not in the fuel tank.

                I am a Star Tron fan and plan to be using it for a long time.

                Bone Shaker

                Straight from StarTron's website:

                WHERE TO BUY: Gas Formula Diesel Formula Tank Cleaner

                Display OptionsHOME
                ABOUT STAR TRON
                WHAT IS STAR TRON?
                VIDEOS
                FREQUENT QUESTIONS
                MANUFACTURING FACILITIES
                ETHANOL / E10
                ETHANOL 101 PDF
                ABOUT ETHANOL / E10 FUEL
                ETHANOL RELATED LINKS
                PRODUCTS / MSDS
                WHERE TO BUY
                STAR TRON PRODUCTS
                DOWNLOAD CATALOG PDF
                MSDS - GAS SEF 143XX
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                MSDS - DIESEL 931XX
                MSDS - DIESEL SEF 144XX
                MSDS - TANK CLEANER
                APPLICATIONS
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                CONTACT FORM
                USA DIRECTORY
                INTERNATIONAL
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                JOIN MAILING LIST
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                HOME APPLICATIONS MARINE
                MARINEStar Tron® Enzyme Fuel Treatment is a revolutionary new fuel additive using enzyme technology to enhance the performance of boats, automobiles, trucks, RVs, tractors, farm equipment, generators, lawn mowers, lawn equipment, oil burning furnaces and all other small engines.

                Dramatically Increases Fuel Economy
                Star Tron® cleans the entire fuel delivery system, removing performance robbing gum and varnish deposits while modifying how gas and diesel burn, this results in more complete and uniform combustion and therefore better fuel economy.

                Eliminates Black Soot and Exhaust Stains
                With the removal of harmful engine deposits and an increase in combustion efficiency, exhaust emissions are greatly reduced. This results in cleaner air and cleaner boat transoms as black exhaust smoke is noticeably reduced.

                Removes Carbon Build-Up
                Carbon deposit formation is a byproduct of unburned fuel in the combustion process. Star Tron's enzymes will break down and disperse these deposits restoring engine performance as it also modifes the fuel to prevent future carbon deposits.

                Disperses Bacteria
                Commonly referred to as "diesel algae," these microbial spores will colonize in the water phase. Startron slowly disperses bacteria: the fungi, mold, and yeast, collectively known in the fuel industry as "diesel algae", allowing the fuel filtration system to function efficiently.

                Stabilizes Gas & Diesel Fuels
                Gas and diesel fuels break down rapidly which results in lost power and poor performance. Star Tron stabilizes the fuel chemistry for up to two years in gas and two years in diesel.

                Eliminates & Prevents Ethanol Fuel Problems
                Ethanol / E10 fuels increase the amounts of water and sludge in your fuel tank. Star Tron breaks down this excess water and sludge to sub-micron size allowing it to be safely burned away during normal engine operation. Therefore Star Tron prevents phase separation and fuel gelling, eliminating ethanol fuel problems.

                Star Tron Is Ideal For All Engines, Including:
                ATVs, Cars, Trucks, Boats (2-cycle & 4-cycle), Lawn Mowers, Generator, Heavy Equipment, Snowmobiles, RVs, WeedEaters, Personal Watercraft, Diesel Engines




                [ Back ]
                MARINE TESTIMONIALS

                Miss Piggy Marine - New York
                Marine Testimonials
                I purchased a 1989 Grady White Offshore 24 with a 2 stoke 225 HP Yamaha Excel. The boat was on the hard for maybe 2 years with full fuel tanks. I suspect the owner only ran off the main 95 gallon tank, and saved the 55 aux. tank for emergancy. Needless to say, I was lazy and just dropped her in and started using it. The (3) carbs got gummed up. The motor simply wouldn't idle and ran poorley at speed. Another Grady white owner turned me on to STAR TRON. 20 bucks, got nothing to loose....
                Read more...


                Do a google search and see for yourself.

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                • #9
                  Re: gas additives for outboards?

                  Originally posted by 85 BOMBER View Post
                  http://www.evinrude-parts.com/outboa...endations.html
                  Even Evinrude tells that it's harmful. Outboard repair shops here in the south are full of small outboards needing repairs due to ethanol.Star Tron Convert

                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  From Suzuki Outboard Forum

                  I had been having increasingly poor idle and poor low RPM performance. Starting as like a magic trick with setting a high idle and quickly shifting into gear, hopeing it would not stall. My DF 70 would cut off and the worst times....approaching the dock...slow maneuvering etc. The problem started slowly last year and has gotten worse until I felt that the shop was the next stop.

                  I fuss over my engine and keep it up well. Cleaning and checking here and there. I new set of plugs did not help. I blew out the fuel system and checked for water. Cleaned all the filters. All clear. I regularly run Suzuki brand fuel injector cleaner mixed with the fuel.

                  I did a lot reading and researching and decided to run some Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment. BINGO! With the first 6 gallons things started looking up. Better idle and starting. Smoother low PRM running.

                  24 gallons later. Have my old DF 70 back with all the great performance I was used to.

                  Damned E 10 fuel to hell. Put the corn on the plant not in the fuel tank.

                  I am a Star Tron fan and plan to be using it for a long time.

                  Bone Shaker

                  Straight from StarTron's website:

                  WHERE TO BUY: Gas Formula Diesel Formula Tank Cleaner

                  Display OptionsHOME
                  ABOUT STAR TRON
                  WHAT IS STAR TRON?
                  VIDEOS
                  FREQUENT QUESTIONS
                  MANUFACTURING FACILITIES
                  ETHANOL / E10
                  ETHANOL 101 PDF
                  ABOUT ETHANOL / E10 FUEL
                  ETHANOL RELATED LINKS
                  PRODUCTS / MSDS
                  WHERE TO BUY
                  STAR TRON PRODUCTS
                  DOWNLOAD CATALOG PDF
                  MSDS - GAS SEF 143XX
                  MSDS - GAS 930XX
                  MSDS - DIESEL 931XX
                  MSDS - DIESEL SEF 144XX
                  MSDS - TANK CLEANER
                  APPLICATIONS
                  ATV
                  AUTO
                  MOTORCYCLE
                  FARM
                  LAWN
                  MARINE
                  RV
                  SNOW
                  TRUCK
                  TESTIMONIALS
                  READ TESTIMONIALS
                  PRESS
                  PRINT ADS
                  EDITORIALS
                  GREEN STATEMENT
                  CONTACT US
                  CONTACT FORM
                  USA DIRECTORY
                  INTERNATIONAL
                  INTERNATIONAL DISTRIBUTORS
                  JOIN MAILING LIST
                  LINKS
                  HOME APPLICATIONS MARINE
                  MARINEStar Tron® Enzyme Fuel Treatment is a revolutionary new fuel additive using enzyme technology to enhance the performance of boats, automobiles, trucks, RVs, tractors, farm equipment, generators, lawn mowers, lawn equipment, oil burning furnaces and all other small engines.

                  Dramatically Increases Fuel Economy
                  Star Tron® cleans the entire fuel delivery system, removing performance robbing gum and varnish deposits while modifying how gas and diesel burn, this results in more complete and uniform combustion and therefore better fuel economy.

                  Eliminates Black Soot and Exhaust Stains
                  With the removal of harmful engine deposits and an increase in combustion efficiency, exhaust emissions are greatly reduced. This results in cleaner air and cleaner boat transoms as black exhaust smoke is noticeably reduced.

                  Removes Carbon Build-Up
                  Carbon deposit formation is a byproduct of unburned fuel in the combustion process. Star Tron's enzymes will break down and disperse these deposits restoring engine performance as it also modifes the fuel to prevent future carbon deposits.

                  Disperses Bacteria
                  Commonly referred to as "diesel algae," these microbial spores will colonize in the water phase. Startron slowly disperses bacteria: the fungi, mold, and yeast, collectively known in the fuel industry as "diesel algae", allowing the fuel filtration system to function efficiently.

                  Stabilizes Gas & Diesel Fuels
                  Gas and diesel fuels break down rapidly which results in lost power and poor performance. Star Tron stabilizes the fuel chemistry for up to two years in gas and two years in diesel.

                  Eliminates & Prevents Ethanol Fuel Problems
                  Ethanol / E10 fuels increase the amounts of water and sludge in your fuel tank. Star Tron breaks down this excess water and sludge to sub-micron size allowing it to be safely burned away during normal engine operation. Therefore Star Tron prevents phase separation and fuel gelling, eliminating ethanol fuel problems.

                  Star Tron Is Ideal For All Engines, Including:
                  ATVs, Cars, Trucks, Boats (2-cycle & 4-cycle), Lawn Mowers, Generator, Heavy Equipment, Snowmobiles, RVs, WeedEaters, Personal Watercraft, Diesel Engines




                  [ Back ]
                  MARINE TESTIMONIALS

                  Miss Piggy Marine - New York
                  Marine Testimonials
                  I purchased a 1989 Grady White Offshore 24 with a 2 stoke 225 HP Yamaha Excel. The boat was on the hard for maybe 2 years with full fuel tanks. I suspect the owner only ran off the main 95 gallon tank, and saved the 55 aux. tank for emergancy. Needless to say, I was lazy and just dropped her in and started using it. The (3) carbs got gummed up. The motor simply wouldn't idle and ran poorley at speed. Another Grady white owner turned me on to STAR TRON. 20 bucks, got nothing to loose....
                  Read more...


                  Do a google search and see for yourself.
                  Just as I thought you got information passed on "Straight from their website"
                  1985 Baretta Vanguard 16ft & 1984 Evinrude 75hp O/B

                  ****Running your motor without water is like peeing into the wind, it's a stupid impulse that is going to be a mess later****

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                  • #10
                    Re: gas additives for outboards?

                    and exactly where is this information regarding how the ethanol makes the cylinder dry out on the return stroke?
                    1985 Baretta Vanguard 16ft & 1984 Evinrude 75hp O/B

                    ****Running your motor without water is like peeing into the wind, it's a stupid impulse that is going to be a mess later****

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                    • #11
                      Re: gas additives for outboards?

                      www.mystarbrite.com


                      STAR TRON FREQUENT QUESTIONS Will Star tron work on already degraded fuel?

                      Q. Will Star tron work with gasoline or diesel fuel that already shows signs of degradation?

                      A. Star tron should reverse any degradation that already exists in fuel. Add the recommended dosage for the full capacity of your tank and top off with fresh fuel. The fuel will return to its natural color within a short period of time.



                      [ Back ]
                      Star brite Corporation 2008

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                      • #12
                        Re: gas additives for outboards?

                        Just as I thought you got information passed on "Straight from their website"

                        If you read the post you were talking about, you would have seen at the top that they were not from StarTron's site, but from Evinrude.com and Suzuki Outboard Forum. I don't have anything to prove here. I see the aftermath in the shops all the time. Sure, I use the product, and I have no problems. I just thought I would pass on some info to someone asking about using fuel additives. I'm not trying to sway your vote. Use it or not, it's still a great product. And in case your wondering, no, I'm not a Startron rep.

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                        • #13
                          Re: gas additives for outboards?

                          "A. Star tron should reverse any degradation that already exists in fuel. Add the recommended dosage for the full capacity of your tank and top off with fresh fuel. The fuel will return to its natural color within a short period of time."


                          Again I will ask you where does that say anything like:

                          "The only oil the engine receives is what is in the gasoline, but the ethanol will wash the oil off of the cylinder walls causing the piston to come back up dry, which will result in premature engine wear."
                          1985 Baretta Vanguard 16ft & 1984 Evinrude 75hp O/B

                          ****Running your motor without water is like peeing into the wind, it's a stupid impulse that is going to be a mess later****

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                          • #14
                            Re: gas additives for outboards?

                            Sea Foam | E-85 Fuels and Sea Foam

                            Ethanol tends to strip engine oil from cylinder walls and can be harsh on ... Helps prevent corrosion issues common to E-85 fuels and removes moisture - Add ...
                            http://www.seafoamsales.com/e-85-fue...-sea-foam.html - Cached - Simila

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                            • #15
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                              Re: gas additives for outboards?

                              Sta-Bil makes an additive that removes ethanol also (blue instead of red) . Outboard mechanics I have spoken with all say that ethanol is bad for two stoke engines. If I can't find non-ethanol gas for my evinrude outboard, I make sure to add the sta-bil when I fill up. If nothing else, it's cheap insurance. My motor seems to be running smoother since I have made it a point to stay away from the ethanol...

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