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  • new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

    I think of purchasing a new 20 hp 4 stroke engine. The new 20 hp Yamaha looks the part, but there still is the famous Honda 4 stroke of the same power.
    What would you buy??


  • #2
    Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

    Those are both excellent engines, Jan.

    I think the Honda is quite a bit lighter, so that is the way I would go.

    Moving this to Non-Repair Outboard.
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    • #3
      Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

      The F20 Yamaha is the way to go. It is 114 lbs or 52 kg. It is available with manual or electric starting. The Honda doesn't have as many dealers to support you. Yamaha builds a quality product. The Honda weights are listed below and are either comparable or weigh more depending on the model.
      Dry Weight Tiller(Man) (S/L) 46/49 kg - 101/108 lbs.

      Dry Weight Tiller (Elec) (S/L) 49.5/52.5 kg - 109/116 lbs.

      Dry Weight(Power Tilt) (S/L) 58/59.5 kg - 128/131

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      • #4
        Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

        The Honda is a new model and comes with the option of power tilt (I think) The 15 & 20 hp are the basic engines. Also has electric start as an option. I would suspect dolloar wise the Yamaha is a few dollars cheaper. Both would give you excellent service. I have run a 15 hp Honda for the past 14 years.

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        • #5
          Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

          The Yamaha F20 was reported to have some issues. In this particular size the Honda is probably the better choice. However, they may have fixed the flaws by now...
          Elvin
          My answers are like Zen...It may not be the answer you want, but it is generally the answer you need.

          The 3 Rules:

          1) Look in your service manual first...Then ask me if it is correct.
          2) Understand that your desire to repair your engine does not mean that you have the ability to do so.
          3) If you are confused, take your engine into a dealer..Then let them be confused...At least, in theory, they sent someone to outboard 101.

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          • #6
            Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

            Another vote for the Honda. I'm a big Yamaha fan, but read some reviews on the 20hp 4 stroke Yammy and you'll see why Honda in the favorite here. Tohatsu makes an 18hp for quite a bit less money too if that would work for you.
            “We do not inherit the earth from our fathers, we are borrowing it from our children.”

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            • #7
              Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

              Here is a review of the F20. I don't see anything negative here.

              **********/news-reviews/article/the-outboard-expert-yamaha-gets-tough-with-its-f15c-and-f20-outboards
              Last edited by JB; November 21st, 2007, 04:42 PM. Reason: converted commercial link

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              • #8
                Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                That's a puff piece that magazines do to stroke their advertisers. He was just quoting back Yamaha advertising copy. I'll see if anyone here remembers what the issue(s) were and if they were solved.
                Elvin
                My answers are like Zen...It may not be the answer you want, but it is generally the answer you need.

                The 3 Rules:

                1) Look in your service manual first...Then ask me if it is correct.
                2) Understand that your desire to repair your engine does not mean that you have the ability to do so.
                3) If you are confused, take your engine into a dealer..Then let them be confused...At least, in theory, they sent someone to outboard 101.

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                • #9
                  Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                  I believe the biggest complaint with that particular Yamaha was the excessive vibration, especially at below plane speeds. Maybe noise too. The Yamaha is not as efficient as it's Honda and Tohatsu counterparts either. It has a 2 star rating while Honda and Tohatsu are the only ones with the 3 star rating.
                  “We do not inherit the earth from our fathers, we are borrowing it from our children.”

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                  • #10
                    Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                    I spoke with a friend who is a Yamaha dealer and he said that they had a problem with excessive oil dilution. He also said that they fixed it and the design has been trouble free since. One thing though. He added that is was a little on the puny side for acceleration. So, I would still go with the Honda between the two.
                    Elvin
                    My answers are like Zen...It may not be the answer you want, but it is generally the answer you need.

                    The 3 Rules:

                    1) Look in your service manual first...Then ask me if it is correct.
                    2) Understand that your desire to repair your engine does not mean that you have the ability to do so.
                    3) If you are confused, take your engine into a dealer..Then let them be confused...At least, in theory, they sent someone to outboard 101.

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                    • #11
                      Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                      It is absolutely untrue that the F20 Yamaha has a two-star rating. It has a three-star rating. You can go here to verify the C.A.R.B. rating.
                      Last edited by JB; November 21st, 2007, 04:43 PM. Reason: deleted commercial link

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                      • #12
                        Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                        [QUOTE=BruceAML;1530910]It is absolutely untrue that the F20 Yamaha has a two-star rating. It has a three-star rating. You can go here to verify the C.A.R.B. rating.

                        QUOTE]

                        Sorry, obviously they've recently upgraded. They had a 2 star rating.
                        “We do not inherit the earth from our fathers, we are borrowing it from our children.”

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                        • #13
                          Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                          Originally posted by Drowned Rat View Post
                          Another vote for the Honda. I'm a big Yamaha fan, but read some reviews on the 20hp 4 stroke Yammy and you'll see why Honda in the favorite here. Tohatsu makes an 18hp for quite a bit less money too if that would work for you.
                          Hi Drowned Rat,
                          Where can I find these reviews???
                          Thanks a lot!

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                          • #14
                            Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                            Hi Jan, I can't remember where I read that, but I just bought a Tohatsu 18hp and did a lot of research on it. It actually wasn't a review, but rather some folks talking about it on another forum.

                            Here is a good article that someone posted in the Tohatsu forum on the top contenders in the 15hp range. http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...=397&catID=571

                            It's good reading and also paints the Yamaha in a good light.
                            “We do not inherit the earth from our fathers, we are borrowing it from our children.”

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                            • #15
                              Re: new 20 hp 4 stroke: Yam or Honda?

                              That discussion is from October 2003 and the test is of a 15 hp Yamaha. The current F20 was not made at that time. A four year-old "review" is not helpful.

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