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Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

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  • Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

    My 1981 mercruiser 340HP 7.4L engine has water in the oil. I am trying to determine if this is due to a head gasket, a cracked head, or a cracked block. I removed all the spark plugs from and cranked the motor. Water is squirting out of the #4 spark plug hole. I doubt this is normal. Head gasket or cracked block? I sure hope it's the head gasket..


  • #2
    Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

    Could have any of those, or it could be a leaking riser gasket which is feeding water into the cylinder via the exhaust valve and leaking down into the oil. That's a long shot though.
    1976 Mark Twain 200VBR w/Mercruiser 233 (Ford 351w) "Heart & Soul"

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    • #3
      Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

      First step is take the head off and have a look.
      1986 Century Riviera 6 Meter 350/260 Alpha 1

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      • #4
        Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

        drain oil ,new oil and filter
        do compression test first off !



        start with basics and go on !


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        • #5
          Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

          I put just the #4 sparkplug back in and it didnt even want to crank. The rest of the plugs are still out.

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          • #6
            Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

            what if I disconnected the hose to the risor and removed the #4 plug again and crank it to see if water still comes out? Would that be a valid test to eliminate the risor or risor gasket as a culprit?

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            • #7
              Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

              Pull the intake off and inspect the head and valley of the block for cracks. My buddy did not winterize his boat and when I pulled the intake I found a gaping crack in the head at a water jacket and a crack in the valley of the block. He was recently laided-off and did not have enough money to fix it right, short block and 1 head, so I found a reman head for $150 and JB welded the crack in block. You would have to drill a small hole at the end of the crack to releave the stress and take a wire wheel to it and clean it very well with denatured alcohol. It took 9 oil changes to get the block cleaned out. He has had the boat out several times this year and is still running strong.
              G'Luck

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              • #8
                Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                You need to get that #4 hole lubed up good before everything in that hole is rusted!

                sea foam, straight oil or even some 2 cycle oil will do.

                spin engine a little with plugs out and get some more oil in cyl .

                then back to finding what is causing your problems.

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                • #9
                  Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                  just basic scienec here fellas.. water is not compressable.. and will take something out with it.. example..push rods, valves etc..

                  My old merc exhaust riser collapsed..so i found out the hard way what water does entering the chambers.. its wasnt good.. all rods were bent, rockers etc.. total wash.

                  If you know you have water in that cylinder you want to find out where its coming from. I wouldnt suggest putting a spark plug on and cranking..you may cost yourself some additional dollars..

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                  • #10
                    Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                    Originally posted by cdrive View Post
                    what if I disconnected the hose to the risor and removed the #4 plug again and crank it to see if water still comes out? Would that be a valid test to eliminate the risor or risor gasket as a culprit?engine has water in the oil.
                    Ayuh,... Not really,.... Take the exhaust manifold/ riser right Off the motor...
                    Whether it's the Problem or Not, it's gotta come off anyways...
                    If it Is the problem,... You'll see the Rust Tracks inside the exhaust cavity...

                    Sounds like you might have Freeze Damage, possibly both the exhaust manifold,+/ or the block....
                    Unless the rings in that cylinder are Really Bad, it takes a considerable Time to comtaminate the oil that way...
                    Any Grease is Better,..... Than No Grease at All.......

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                    • #11
                      Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                      Originally posted by 6meter View Post
                      First step is take the head off and have a look.
                      Negative. On a Marine engine with water filled exhaust manifolds, the FIRST thing to check is the exhaust manifolds and the risers. Removing the head is one of the LAST things you want to do. That's a major difference between marine and auto engines.

                      Bond-o is pointing you in the correct direction, follow his post and you'll find your problem.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                        Before you take the heads off, you need to run a pressure test on the coolant system and a compression test.
                        1998 Wellcraft Eclipse 24 Cuddy
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                        • #13
                          Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                          I pulled of the exhaust manifold and Riser. Exactly what should I be looking for? The passages look clean. The center where the exhaust comes out is a little black with carbon. I could not tell if there was a problem with the risor gasket because it tore apart when I split it from the manifold.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                            Before you take the heads off, you need to run a pressure test on the coolant system and a compression test.

                            YES!


                            Don't pull heads before you pressure check the system.

                            You can remove exhaust manifolds and still easily do a pressure check......because you would want to isolate the hoses to the manifolds anyway......


                            Also, you're not going to have a LOT of water in the oil if a riser is leaking. (unless you have a cracked piston, no rings etc.....)

                            very little water gets past the rings during starting and while the engine is running little or NO water gets into the engine from a leaking riser. (it just gets "blowed" with the exhaust!!)


                            On the other hand, if you have a cracked head, you will get water into the oil and if you have a cracked block A LOT of water will get into the oil.


                            Break the manifold//riser connection and carefully inspect the riser gasket (you'll destroy it but you should be able to tell if it was leaking)

                            You could also fill the manifold(with riser still on) with water (stand it up...hook a hose to the lower manifold connection ) and see if the water runs out internally. You'll have to wait for the little bit that goes over the top to drain back if you over fill it.

                            Do the pressure check first. You need to check for leaks in the block, heads, and intake manifold first.



                            Cheers,


                            Rick
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                            I use xxx oil and have never had a problem........
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                            • #15
                              Re: Water coming out of #4 spark plug hole.

                              Originally posted by 6meter View Post
                              First step is take the head off and have a look.
                              HEY!... do you know that 6m is open?
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