Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

BigB9000

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I purchase a 9.9 HP Evinrude that was seized.
I knew it was seized, but I hopped to get it running, or strip it down for parts.
Hopefully to get running because I really like these engines.

So, year is 1977 # 10755A
Power head plug is 155040 (Same year? Different year?)

I'm guessing it isn't the original powerhead, as its dark blue, and the body's original color was light blue.

So I didn't want to just throw a breaker bar on the flywheel to un-stick it, I wanted to fix the problem.
I removed the lower unit hoping it was the problem, well it wasn't. Block still seized.

When removing the powerhead, this fell out.

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And I thought I was going to have problems.
Powerhead came off just fine though.
I removed this:

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To find this:

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How does sand even get up there?!

So, the flywheel could rock back and forth a hair, so I was fairly certain it wasn't the pistons that were stuck.
I clean the bearing with penetrating oil, soft brush, and compressed air. It looked a little dirty/rusty, but much nicer.

I pulled the side covers, pistons looked fine. no deep lines or rust or anything.
Then pulled the head.

Top hole:

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Bottom hole:

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The liquid stuff you see is a combo of raid, penetrating oil, WD-40 and whatever other liquid I dumped over/down/in this thing.

Now, at this point, the thing was moving freely again. No forcing or anything, just unstuck itself.
Probably for all the moving and tapping I did getting the stuff apart.
I cleaned all the sand out I could at this point.

Here is the bottom cylinder:

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Overall, seems like a nice engine.
Every bolt came out, nothing broke.
Electronics look brand new. Paint on block looks great & factory.

So, a new bearing is about $22 and $30ish for a gasket kit.
I could probably get her back together for less than $100?

In your opinion, what should I do?
Fix it?
Put it back together and see if it starts?
Put it back together and do a compression test?
It seems there is still sand in the cylinder heads, and probably in/around the crank case, so I don't want to rotate this anymore than I have too. If its even sand? It probably is, doubtful its carbon build up.

And really, how does this happen? Sand IN the block?
Made it up the shaft, into the crank, and into the cylinders?
 
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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

It looks to me like a motor that was dunked and not brought up right away.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

You mean fell off the boat and stayed underwater for some time?

Wouldn't I see more visible damage through the whole thing?

I mean, nothing looks too rusty at all.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

did you check the exhaust plate and baffle? my 40hp evinrude took in a small amount of sand there when the gaskets went bad. just a thought.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

Yeah that much sand, looks like it ingested it through the carb when it went for a swim. No way that much could get through the gasket and keep running long enough to distribute it like that! Maybe, but seems like a quick, sudden gulp of sea water to me.

That thing will need to be torn right down to get it properly cleaned out. New bearings throughout, don't reuse any of them. Mic everything as you reinstall it to ensure it is in spec. How do the crank journals look? Or have you not pulled the crank out yet? I would, polish the journals, and mic them.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

There is no point in trying to start this motor !!----Tear it down for inspection.--Rusted bearings can not handle 5000 RPM.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

Sounds like a plan!

What's the best way to do that?obviously pull the flywheel, timing plate, carb, intake etc...
But do I need to remove the top/bottom bearing first? Or do I just unbolt the block halves?
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

Get the powerhead off and on your workbench then split it to inspect. I would recommend an OEM manual if you don't have one. I likely have a couple around here with the specs if you need it.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

fwiw...youtube...small girl rebuilds outboard motor < no exact title, but should work>..will give you an idea of what to expect
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

I got the crankcase apart today; pistons and crank removed.

One piston (Top of picture) has some deep scratches on it. Can be felt rubbing your finger over the lines.
Bottom one seems fine?

Crankshaft bearing/roller areas look fine, no gouges or anything weird.
Aside from a piston and a lower bearing, all seem okay?

Im getting a manual off eBay, just waiting for it to get here.

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Inner cylinder walls feel fine, no scratching or gouges can be felt.

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Oversize pistons are no longer available; so a re-bore is out.
Standard size is available @ $70 each.
Standard piston rings are available.
As are all the bearing and seal parts I need to replace.

So what do I do?
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

If you don't have the tools to check the bore, I would have it done before spending money. Make sure not out of round, and within spec.

If it is, hone the cylinder, re ring, polish the journals on the crank, install new bearings, possibly piston, and away you go!
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

O/S pistons kits are definitely available.--Just need to look at after market.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

a would polish pistons with wet sandpaper+ few drops of disel and install new rings+ new lower and upper seals
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

If you don't have the tools to check the bore, I would have it done before spending money. Make sure not out of round, and within spec.

If it is, hone the cylinder, re ring, polish the journals on the crank, install new bearings, possibly piston, and away you go!

What is this cylinder checking tool called? Ill buy one.
Im guessing I cant get this over at autozone, as the pistons are smaller than that of a car, but the ring pliers I can?
Link perhaps?

a would polish pistons with wet sandpaper+ few drops of disel and install new rings+ new lower and upper seals

Thats what I was thinking, wet sand the piston- call it a day.

The lower seal is a problem...
I have a light blue (now badly painted-dark blue) 1977 9.9 HP Body,
A dark blue 1975 15HP Powerhead,
What looks to be 1977 Ignition system
And what looks like an originally white lower unit off who knows what.

The 75 15HP uses a different lower unit housing, pinion gear, drive shaft, and upper bearing head seal (# 0315288)
than the 77 9.9HP should have- it uses seal # 0321831 (to match its drive-shaft?)

I need to get the lower apart to find a part number to identify what its off of, order that seal, and hope sand doesn't make it up the driveshaft again?

I don't know what caused this exactly, but I'm guessing it has to do with an incorrect lower seal, combined with excessive idling in sand.

With no sand in the carb, reed-plates, or intake area, I'm still not convinced this engine sank.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

i was thinking about upper and lower seal in powerhead.
you can easy buy this seal in automobile shop
also new lower crankshaft bearing needs to be changed
while doing this overhaul install new gaskets in exhaust panel and water jacket panels(i did this gasket by myself, just you need pencil and gasket material)
 
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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

Well, I have no lower seal now, so I have nothing to compare it too. And given the prices, new Evinrude seals are pretty inexpensive.
I know I could get a new bearing from a bearing supplier, but with a $3 savings, it isn't really worth it.

And Ill probably just buy a gasket set, as I need every powerhead gasket on the thing.
 

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Re: Evinrude 9.9 HP sand in power head. Opinions?

Yeah I know that,
What seal to get is the problem.
 
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