1984 Seaway Commercial Cuddy 20 Foot Outboard Motorboat, Seacast Transom Repair...

a4haus

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Here is my first and last boat :). She's a unique twenty foot cabin-outboard boat with a 90 horsepower Mercury "Tower of Power". I found this boat on Google, so I drove from Rhode Island to Maine and brought her home. I really didn't know much about boats at the time, but I realized that the transom was compromised when I started inspecting her closer. Knowing that it needed a transom rebuild and not wanting to cut up the deck just yet, it very well could need stringers too, I decided to use Seacast to make the repair for a couple of reasons. One reason being that Seacast is superior to wood in that it will never rot out again and the other reason was that I don't have a temperature controlled garage to do the massive amount of fiberglass work needed. The inner and outer skins are in good shape on the boat and that will help make my repair that much easier.

Being that this is my first time fixing a transom, and I have zero fiber-glassing experience, the purpose of this post is to show what I've done, and to get some advice as I near completion. I want to share my project with the internet, so people can reference for themselves how I succeed and failed at finishing this project. I've already had a few minor failures and some good success. Some of the things I can share with people are the tools I've purchased for the project, the costs of the project, and how to deal with a large transom with large splash wings. There are definitely some challenges to overcome, and serious expenses that have already been incurred to complete this project that I plan to finish July 1st 2015. So for now here is the pictorial, I will add some references to tools and other people's Seacast jobs by editing this post until the project is done.

Front of the Boat.
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Back of the boat.



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Evidence of failed transom. I also drilled out a test hole and water came dripping out. When I cut the cap I could see that the actual plywood was de-laminated at the top. Make sure you have some safety gear before you start working, a good dust mask or respirator, goggles, and ear plugs. Whatever you do, don't wash your fiberglass shard covered dirty clothes with your work clothes, your next day back at work won't be fun...ouch.


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Removing the outboard was pretty straight forward, take pictures as you unhook things. The steering tube got stuck but I worked it out with lithium grease finally. The motor has to be lifted off the boat before you can take out the steering. You either need a good tree branch or you can make a gallows hoist like this one. The chain hoist was from sears.com for ($35). All of the wood was 70% off on sale at Home Depot ($40), bent and warped but it worked fine with 3 inch screws holding it together and 2 big bolts at each top corner ($15). I had to buy a circular saw ($30 Sears).



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Cutting the transom cap with a Harbor Freight Angle Grinder and 4 Inch Cutting Wheel ($35 Harbor Freight). If I knew what I was doing, and the shape of the inner skin, I might have been able to cut this better and save the cap but owell. I definitely reccomend you cut the cap off from the top of the transom and not from the sides, so that you save the height. Make sure you have the right gauge and length extention cord for your tools, I didn't have the right one and had to buy a shorter thicker extension cord, 50 Foot 14 AWG for ($22 Walmart).


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Drilling holes with a very necessary Harbor Freight Heavy Duty Low Speed Drill ($40 Harbor Freight w/ Coupon), Dewalt 1-1/4" Auger Bit ($35 Amazon), and Milwaukee Auger Bit 18 Inch Impact Rated 7/16 Extension ($23 Ebay). I also needed a 1-3/8" MLCS Forstner bit with three 12 inch Milwaukee extensions 3/8 hex drive ($20 Amazon for MLCS Forstner Bit and $30 Home Depot for extensions).


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Chainsawing out the wood with a new Husqvarna Rancher 460, 24 inch bar chainsaw ($470 Amazon). I needed the saw anyways and it would have cost me $160 to rent it for two days. You might be able to get away with renting a chainsaw for 1 day if you have all the drill stuff lined up, like the Forstner and Auger bit with extensions ready to go.



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Done cleaning out 99% of the wood, a piece of flat steel 1-1/2 x 36 x 1/4 inch, sharpened from Home Depot ($10) helped greatly. I had to make an long extension for my shopvac out of left over plastic gutter I had laying around to vacuum out the wood.


More to come.
 
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johnnybgood

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Nice looking boat has similar lines to the commercial 21 steiger craft I'm re-doing. I went with replacing the plywood transom. sea cast is pretty pricey. I too had not much experience with fiber glassing found it messy but not hard to do. Good luck
 

a4haus

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Yeah the seacast for this project is definitely costly since it's going to need 20 gallons. I think it's the right repair for the boat and my situation however. If I could save the money and do the plywood with a lower chance of failure I would probably try it. BOAT = Bust Out Another Thousand, at least that's what my friends say.
 

sphelps

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Welcome a4haus ! Nice boat ! Thats one big transom to have to fill ! :D
Make sure ya really clean the inside of the skins . I made a few tools when I poured mine and they worked ok but I ended up just cutting the inside skin out . Made the prep a lot easier .. You might try and glue/fasten some heavy sand paper to a 2x to get down to clean glass . Every bit of old wood must go . The only seacast failure that I have heard of is where the prep was not done correctly and it did not adhere as a result . Just like any glassing prep is the key ..
Looks like you have a good start ! Have you checked the stringers ?
 

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Ok, Here's my 2? worth. 20 gallons of Seacast is approx.$1,200. with shipping. If you use the absolute best quality Marine Grade plywood and Epoxy and Glass products to fabricate and install this transom your cost would be approx.$600. That's a savings of 50%. If you Properly care for and Maintain a wood transom it will last for several Decades. Mine is over 60 years old and still going strong. I just don't see the value in using these expensive "No Rot" Materials??:confused: Properly maintained and cared for Boats Don't Rot!!! Maybe it's just me!!!!:noidea:
 

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Yep it's about half the cost to use wood . Just another way of doing something like anything else .. poly/epoxy , marine grade /reg ext type ply , zinc/stainless , rusto / any of the other high dollar paints , O/B vs I/O , fiberglass /tin , .. :D
Pick yer poison and go for it ! The main thing is to be safe and have fun doing it ! :joyous:
 

kcassells

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Nice Boa! Lots and lots of great ideas here on how to proceed. keep adding pics, questions and progress. She'll be BETTER than from the factory when your done.
 

a4haus

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I haven't really checked the stringers yet but I did find a rotted support under the back deck on top of the stringers through the bilge port hole. The deck feels very solid there anyways. I did squeeze the end of the stringers that connect to the transom in the bilge and they seem fine. A great place to check everything is through the gas tank hold, but I don't really want to cut that out quite yet but I might. I want to postpone that job till next year. If I have left over resin I might just cut it out and rebuild it anyways.

One of the side projects on this boat is replacing the gas tank with a Moeller 55 Gallon tank ($388 Moeller Tank on Amazon, $45 Filler Tubing Amazon). These poly tanks are a whole other problem because they expand I guess. Here are some pics of the gas tank side project:

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This is how I found the gas tank hold. It was very dirty and there was a small rotted hole in corner almost as if the aluminum tank leaked. Perhaps the ethanol ate a hole in the glass. The leak was probably a pin hole, or two, leak in that 30 year old aluminum tank.

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That pic with the news print on the old plywood is the shape of the hold vs the shape of the 55 gallon tank. The walls of the hold are not very strong at all. I will build a wood cradle for the tank to sit on then use rubber bungees to hold it down for a temp solution until I can rebuild the hold next year.

Here is the google+ gallery of the of the boat if anyone wants to see more pics:

https://plus.google.com/photos/105033451324618280302/albums/6132843931697917841
 

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I wouldn't put another .05 cents into it until you review all the stringers, bulheads etc to make a fair assessment in regards to safety. JMHO.
 

Woodonglass

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This ^^^ is sound advice. Boats of this vintage with rotten transoms and signs of rot like what's seen in the hold for the gas tank would make me highly skeptical of the soundness of the rest of the substructure of the boat. There are hundreds of examples of boats where this has been the case. Better to find out now than when your miles from shore.:eek:
 

a4haus

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Good advice for sure. I might cut that gas tank hold out and check the stringers up front. I definitely don't want to do stringer or deck work this year.
 

a4haus

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I'm looking for some advice on laminating resin, I need to patch a hole in the inner skin before I pour the Seacast next week. Vinylester laminating resin is what I bought at the fiberglass store. I don't want to put wax additive in it if I don't have to because it will be difficult to sand due to it being a tight space. The salesman for the resin said that laminating resin will eventually cure hard it just takes a long time. Does anyone know how long?
 

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Did you check with seacast for vinylester compatibility ? A bunch of $ just to find out it will not stick ... Definitely worth a phone call ... :phone:
 

a4haus

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They said Vinylester is compatible and it's only a 2x1 inch hole. I asked them what to use for glue for spacers and they said vinylesyer laminating resin is good.
 

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Don't put any wax in it, wax is rarely used in resin.
 
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a4haus

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Ok the resin cured fine with out wax I wonder why people say laminating resin doesn't cure hard? It took 24 hours to cure. Today I poured the first 10 gallons of the Seacast. I never could of done this boat with wood the transom was curved. Pics to come.
 

Woodonglass

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You can do Curved transoms in wood. Not the easiest thing to do but definitely doable. Any resin without wax will be gummy when sanded unless it's fully cured which as they told you can take a long time. It will cure and be hard but still tacky. As ondarvr stated most people don't use the wax especially for repairs on the inside of the boat. Just no reason for it cuz you seldom need to do any finish sanding.
 

a4haus

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Promised Pics From Day 1 Pour:


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So after waiting a month, and going over everything over an over, the pour was hugely successful. I didn't finish today because my assistant wanted to finish tomorrow. However, we poured 2 five gallon pails of Seacast and it was a breeze. I leaned that you definitely want to put all the fiberglass into the mix, some youtube videos say that they didn't use it all and that's a mistake in my opinion.

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Here you can sea where I enclosed the inner parts of the wings that are still hollow. Having an assistant, 4 hands made this much easier to do. It took me a while to figure out a technique for doing this.

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Heres a close up of the center lower transom cap area. I used aluminum stock to keep the motor mount area from bowing out. This was probably the only way I could of done this, because of a fiber glass issue inside the transom where the inner skin met the deck. It was bowed out a little so I could not just put spacers in. Oh I made funnels out of harbor freight mud pans for $5.99. They were simple to make and worked extremely well.

I definitely have some stories about this long and complicated for a beginner job. Stories like how I almost ruined the transom getting the wood out because I didn't understand the true transom thickness through initial observation. Yikes, luckily I only ended up putting a hole in the inner skin due to this. I'm going to say that this repair is going to be a very good repair. when it's done I don't think I saved much money doing it myself because I had to buy so many tools and materials. However I do end up getting to keep the tools and will have a very sturdy repair.
 
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sphelps

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And a transom that you or anyone else will ever have to touch again !
What was your method of getting the skins good and clean ? A really good acetone cleaning I hope also ...
 
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