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  • Rehab SportCraft 222 1983 deep V hull cuddy walkaround

    Well I've been working on this ole gal for 2 summers. Lots of sweet equity. So tired of looking out the window during the winter season and not being able to work on her more.
    But the time gives me ideas on how to proceed come early Spring. I just would like to thank everyone at IBoats forums for your input and knowlwdge. I would not have taken on this project without you guys! I figure this boat will be my Viking Burial rite. lol.
    I really enjoy luring around and getting giving info and a high five.
    Total rehab, total gut, total everything. She looked so good when I bought her......but I still remember when the seller kept saying "as is"........The beginning;


    Here she is under cover.

    Now back at home with cover;
    [URL=http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/kcassellsplmb

    Demo beginning....The picture thing is such a pia.


    Every stringer, bulkead all foam was waterlogged. Transom shot. Also the wood still had worms in it. In additiion I found that thewre was a fiberglass crack in the outside transom.
    had to remove the molded components to access interior of boat for work.


    Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
    1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
    http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
    http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

  • #2
    Holy Baloney... it worked!!




    Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
    1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
    http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
    http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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    • #3
      I have this week off. So I'm putting in stringers, bulkheads, using epoxy and 1708 bi-axle. Ya ya I'm on vacation, I'm on vacation....Also picked up Johnson 225 VRO circa 198something. LOL I made the transom too thick...have to ponder that in regards to putting on the engine and the saved rear splashwell.


      Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
      1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
      http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
      http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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      • #4
        Going back outside to work on Missy.
        Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
        1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
        http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
        http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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        • #5
          1708 & Epoxy??? Did we have this discussion???
          1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED...Kinda!!
          Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms
          Paint Your Boat with Tractor Paint...Say What!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Woodonglass View Post
            1708 & Epoxy??? Did we have this discussion???
            I guess I need you to refresh my memory WOG.
            Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
            1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
            http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
            http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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            • #7
              REVISED 03/11/2014


              EPOXY RESIN


              Epoxy requires NO CSM (Chopped Strand Mat)! For added structural support for your deck and to attach it to the sides of the hull I'd recommend using 6-8 oz fabric extending 6-8 inches up the sides of the hull. 1 or 2 layers is sufficient. The Resin and Cloth/Fabric is all that's requred. Any gaps can be filled with PB just like Poly. Use epoxy resin mixed with Cabosil mixed to the consistency of Creamy Peanut Butter. You can't use Gelcoat with Epoxy! (Well maybe but, it takes special prep and even then it's debatable.) Epoxy has no UV protection so it must be coated with some kind of UV protectant, either Marine Varnish (to keep the Natural Wood Look, or Paint to protect it from the sun if it will be exposed to the sun), carpet...Something must cover it. It does have a bit more FLEX to it, it's a bit stronger of a Glue, and offers a bit more water resistance. It is also costs about 50% more than Polyester Resin. It can take up to 12 hours to cure. (poly will tack up in as little time as 25 mins.)

              --This is the way I am doing the renovation.

              Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
              1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
              http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
              http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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              • #8
                As well as this,
                Stringers-Updated 03/11/2014


                Epoxy Resin

                If you choose to use Epoxy for your Stringers, then you'll only need to use Fabric or Cloth to cover them.
                2 layers of 17oz cloth will be adequate. The drawing is basically the same just won't use CSM or 1708. Layup will be a bit more difficult due to the fact that Epoxy cures at a much slower rate than Poly and is a bit more "Runny" so it will have a tendency to want to run off the side of the stringer and Pool at the bottom. You'll need to Babysit it and keep pulling it back up onto the surface of the cloth until it begins to tack up a bit.

                Polyester Resin





                Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
                1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
                http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
                http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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                • #9
                  If you read the text it states when using epoxy you don't use the 1708 you just use 17 oz fabric the drawing is for using Poly NOT for using epoxy. The Text describes what to do when using epoxy and the drawing SHOWS what to do when using Poly It's all the same just take OFF the CSM and the "08" when using Epoxy. Got IT???
                  1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED...Kinda!!
                  Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms
                  Paint Your Boat with Tractor Paint...Say What!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Woodonglass View Post
                    If you read the text it states when using epoxy you don't use the 1708 you just use 17 oz fabric the drawing is for using Poly NOT for using epoxy. The Text describes what to do when using epoxy and the drawing SHOWS what to do when using Poly It's all the same just take OFF the CSM and the "08" when using Epoxy. Got IT???
                    Ahh, indeed I do.Thank you again. So if I am using the 1708 Biaxial, what is your opinion? Overkill or something else I'm missing?
                    Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
                    1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
                    http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
                    http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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                    • #11
                      Epoxy contains no styrene which is required to break down the fibers of the CSM. CSM is used to bind the Polyester resin together since it contains no binders when it cures so it does not break apart. Since Epoxy has it's own binders it does not require CSM. Since the fibers in CSM are loosely woven they provide very little structural strength to the mix but they will soak up a lot of resin. You can use the 1708 but the cost will be in using approximately 30% more resin with little added benefit. You'd be much better off and have a stronger build using a layer or 17 oz cloth or even 2 of 8.5 oz cloth with NO CSM. If you use the 1708 I'd recommend using it upside down laying the fabric side down and the CSM side up to get a stronger bond to the hull with less risk of delamination.
                      Last edited by Woodonglass; August 25th, 2014, 10:37 PM.
                      1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED...Kinda!!
                      Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms
                      Paint Your Boat with Tractor Paint...Say What!!!

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                      • #12
                        Got it, thank you.
                        Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
                        1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
                        http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
                        http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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                        • #13
                          I see Zool using a lot of 1708 biax in his epoxy build and no one is correcting him:
                          http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...on-pics/page62

                          You can buy 50" wide 1708 cheaper than you can buy 38" 18 oz. e-glass and the USComp site states all of their fabrics are compatible with poly, epoxy, and vinylester resins.

                          You don't need the fibers in the matt to break down with epoxy resin because epoxy isn't wimpy like polyester resin.
                          I consider overkill a job well done... plus a little extra.

                          There's as many ways to do something as there is people to tell you how to do it... but not all of them are the right way.

                          The drinking and debauchery will continue until morale improves... and maybe for a little while after.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jigngrub View Post
                            I see Zool using a lot of 1708 biax in his epoxy build and no one is correcting him:
                            http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...on-pics/page62
                            You can buy 50" wide 1708 cheaper than you can buy 38" 18 oz. e-glass and the USComp site states all of their fabrics are compatible with poly, epoxy, and vinylester resins.
                            You don't need the fibers in the matt to break down with epoxy resin because epoxy isn't wimpy like polyester resin.
                            Well that's exactly what I am doing and standing by it. I was using 1708 biax prior to the "change" program. Thanks Jig..Thought for a moment I was from another planet and landed in a world of now what. I bought in 50 yards and 25 yards at a pop so it's going to be used up.
                            Now I can pull my head out of my a scribble scribble and get back to work. Expect to hear shortly "it's your boat and you can do what you want."
                            Most times I'm wrong, Most times I stand corrected..But...Sometimes I'm right.
                            1983 SportCraft Deep V OSFF 222 Cuddy Rehab
                            http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ddy-walkaround
                            http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engin...-new-fuel-pump

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by jigngrub View Post
                              I see Zool using a lot of 1708 biax in his epoxy build and no one is correcting him:
                              http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...on-pics/page62

                              You can buy 50" wide 1708 cheaper than you can buy 38" 18 oz. e-glass and the USComp site states all of their fabrics are compatible with poly, epoxy, and vinylester resins.

                              You don't need the fibers in the matt to break down with epoxy resin because epoxy isn't wimpy like polyester resin.
                              You better check again there JIG! I follow Zool's build all the time. I don't believe he's ever used a yard of 1708 in his epoxy build. In fact, The Link you posted CLEARLY shows he's using 17oz Biaxial Cloth. I know for a fact that he Knows NOT to use 1708 for the very reasons previously stated and has recommended the same exact thing on other threads. Using CSM is not good practice when using epoxy. I'd be happy to read any article that you could post that says otherwise.
                              1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED...Kinda!!
                              Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms
                              Paint Your Boat with Tractor Paint...Say What!!!

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