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1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

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  • 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

    A great weekend -- just came home with a 12-foot 1968 Starcraft for fishing the back coves. It's exactly what I've been looking for, even if it's a little rough.

    So here are my first questions:
    When I put the Sea Scamp into the water I didn't notice any leaks, and the previous owner said he's never had any issues. So the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it" comes to mind. And I actually like the existing color scheme. But I wouldn't mind painting the bottom hull and sides, and treating the interior seams / rivets with Gluvit as a precaution since I'd like to keep it in the water at the dock all summer.
    • Is there any potential harm I could do by stripping / sanding / repainting that could cause a problem that doesn't currently exist?
    • If I do decide to repaint, do I need to strip down to bare aluminum, or can I sand down to smooth it out and then paint over the existing paint?

    I've been reading through several Starcraft renovation threads and know there's lots of wisdom and expertise in the forum, so I'd appreciate any feedback or comments...




    The bottom is painted white -- stained a greenish tint by light coating of algae:



    Interior has a few light coatings of light blue paint:







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    Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

    Also, there's a single small hole on a channel that runs down the bottom center of the boat. Should it be there as a drain hole?

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      Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

      A question about power:
      I'm now looking for a 8hp-10hp outboard for the boat. I need to decide between buying a new motor or going used.

      I've been researching the Tohatsu / Nissan 8hp and 9.9hp new as well as the Mercury, but it seems odd to put a new (expensive) motor on a very inexpensive boat. But, used outboards in this small size range seem to be harder and harder to find in my area.

      I did find a 1966 Evinrude Outboard 9.5 hp short shaft tiller (see pics below):

      Here's the description from the seller:
      Never seen salt water.
      Had this outboard on a 12 foot row boat.
      Used it for two seasons on Budd Lake.
      Very reliable outboard, never had a problem with it.
      I purchased this outboard from the original owner who used it on Lake Michigan. I upgraded to a larger motor three years ago and this outboard has been in my basement ever since.
      Started the motor on 4/5/2011. It started right up in three pulls.


      Is going with a 40+ year motor a bad idea if it seems to run?
      Compression test, water flow - anything else to look for?
      Suggestions????

      Also, let me know if you have any feedback on paint / stripping in the posts above....



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        Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

        Nice find there. I would powerwash it, rough sand it so the new paint has something to grip to, hit any bare aluminum spots with etching primer, then prime and paint it with Rustoleum. That hole in your keel is fine. That's not a water-tight piece. For a motor, any Johnson/Evinrude/Mercury 4-10HP will be great and $300-800 should get you a nice motor. Check the compression before buying and replace the water pump impeller after buying before you hit the water and you'll be good to go. We have a similar little 14' Alumacraft that we power with a little Evinrude 4HP and while it obviously won't plane, it still moves along really well and even with 3 adults in it we can cover a lot of area in an outing with that little motor. Here's ours: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...e/DSCF2577.jpg
        1976 18' Starcraft SuperSport 90HP Evinrude
        Restoration thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=357767
        1966 16' Starcraft Jupiter 85HP Johnson
        Restoration thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=338633 sold

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        • #5
          Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

          Thanks for the tips - I should be able to knock out the painting over the next two weekends. And I'll keep looking for a motor - one should turn up around here soon.


          Originally posted by ezmobee View Post
          We have a similar little 14' Alumacraft that we power with a little Evinrude 4HP and while it obviously won't plane, it still moves along really well and even with 3 adults in it we can cover a lot of area in an outing with that little motor. Here's ours: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...e/DSCF2577.jpg
          The Alumacraft you showed in the photobucket looks identical to the one we used to go fishing as a kid with my Grandfather in the 1970's -- and that's the reason I bought this boat. I have an 18 foot Chaparral that's great for water sports or cruising the main lake, but there's nothing like an aluminum boat for fishing and the feel of being close to the water and exploring the more shallow coves.

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            Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

            Same for us. We got it to take to places we're afraid to take my 18'. Also good for a local HP restricted lake. Better yet, I got my old man to buy it
            1976 18' Starcraft SuperSport 90HP Evinrude
            Restoration thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=357767
            1966 16' Starcraft Jupiter 85HP Johnson
            Restoration thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=338633 sold

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            • #7
              Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

              Originally posted by ezmobee View Post
              We have a similar little 14' Alumacraft that we power with a little Evinrude 4HP and while it obviously won't plane, it still moves along really well and even with 3 adults in it we can cover a lot of area in an outing with that little motor.
              I'd like to see you show up at a tournament with a 4....geeeeez
              A good brand of engine is one that runs

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              • #8
                Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                Do you have any mechanical skills? Even if you don't, those old outboards are easy to work on and parts are easy to get. Don't let the age scare you. Have the owner start it and, if it runs good and the price is right, buy it. From the pics it looks good.

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                  Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                  Mechanical skills = moderate. I grew up with a 1973 115hp Johnson outboard so I've been around them my whole life. Getting parts for anything older than 15 years (esp. OMC) was my biggest concern, but it sounds like it's not a big deal to find impellers, etc. I really like the looks of the older motors with the older boat.

                  Now I want to enter a fishing tournament! I thought you'd get disqualified if you show up with anything under 225hp.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                    Nice Sea Scamp you've got there, welcome to the Starcraft fleet

                    That's almost identical to my AeroCraft, fun little boats for sure. The 565lb weight rating is easy to break so I try to keep everything lightweight when possible.

                    A 7.5-10hp will do well on that boat, I have run a '55 5.5hp Johnson and a little more hp would be nice sometimes
                    sigpic
                    '79 16' Starcraft SuperSport
                    12' AeroCraft '55 Johnson 5.5hp
                    Starcraft brochures thread

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                    • #11
                      Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                      Over the weekend, I've been stripping the paint and primer (original from the 1960s) from the interior hull seams / rivets and ordered a jug of Gluvit through the local marine shop. Next step is to prep the raw aluminum, etch primer, Gluvit, sand the rest of the hull, primer, then paint!

                      Recommendations on etch primer? Do most people use the Rustoleum spray I saw at Home Depot?

                      Originally posted by ljc1957 View Post
                      Do you have any mechanical skills? Even if you don't, those old outboards are easy to work on and parts are easy to get. Don't let the age scare you. Have the owner start it and, if it runs good and the price is right, buy it. From the pics it looks good.
                      A question about outboards from prior to 1985....

                      Does the change in fuel from leaded (1950s-70s) to unleaded / ethanol E-10 have any impact in the looking for an outboard or are people running older outboards doing ok with "modern" gasoline? I'm finding a few interesting older models out there from the 1960s-80s, but didn't know if I need to worry about the actual gasoline and its impact on performance.

                      I'm tempted by a brand new Mercury 9.9 on sale at the local dealership...
                      Something in my gut is telling me to go with a new outboard 4-stroke, but part of me wants to keep looking for an older one.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                        Originally posted by Nervous Ned View Post
                        Recommendations on etch primer? Do most people use the Rustoleum spray I saw at Home Depot?
                        Duplicolor from Pep-Boys http://www.duplicolor.com/products/selfEtchingPrimer/ a light dusting is all that's needed.

                        Originally posted by Nervous Ned View Post
                        Does the change in fuel from leaded (1950s-70s) to unleaded / ethanol E-10 have any impact in the looking for an outboard or are people running older outboards doing ok with "modern" gasoline?
                        I wouldn't worry about it. A change in fuel lines and not hanging on to stored fuel as long is about all that's needed.
                        1976 18' Starcraft SuperSport 90HP Evinrude
                        Restoration thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=357767
                        1966 16' Starcraft Jupiter 85HP Johnson
                        Restoration thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=338633 sold

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                        • #13
                          Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                          After stripping paint away from the rivets and seams last weekend, I put the boat back in the lake and sat for an hour to see where any leaks might be forming... There was only one spot that leaked - the seam where the bow forms.




                          The seam was fllled with a rubbery waterproofing material that I assume was a patch by the previous owner. I pulled out the material.




                          I bought a quart of Gluvit that I will use to seal all the rivets and seams throughout the interior of the boat.

                          So here's my next question:
                          After applying the Gluvit, do I need to fill in this area with an epoxy or just prime and paint?

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                          • #14
                            Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                            Hi Ned, I just discovered your thread. Welcome to SC Fleet. The rubber stuff you pulled out is original to the SC fabrication. We all have dealt with it. Before Gluvit I would try to clean up the rivets and seams a bit more with medium to fine wire brush, by hand or power. The Gluvit will etch itself into the clean aluminum and run into the seams. No need to fill the gap. Looking forward to seeing progress.
                            http://s860.photobucket.com/albums/a...nanabert/Boat/

                            sigpic

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                            • #15
                              Re: 1968 Starcraft Sea Scamp 12 - Paint and Power (advice?)

                              Thanks Bananaboater! I'm already keeping my eye out for a Starcraft runabout, these little aluminum boats are amazing...

                              Good to know that the Gluvit works directly on the raw aluminum. Yeah, I still have a lot more work on the rivets; that old paint / primer is stubborn. I bought a few wire brushes and a brush attachment for the drill if I need some extra help or lose patience.

                              UPDATE:
                              I just had a chance to take the Scamp out for my first powered ride this afternoon with a 1972 7.5 hp Mercury 2-stroke! It was great to get out on the water and zoom around. It handles great and will be perfect for exploring the fishing coves.



                              A local marina had it stored in the back of their garage and it started right up and runs like new. New impeller and sparks, and loaded up with some Valvtect marine fuel (non-ethanol). The 7.5 seems slightly underpowered (couldn't quite make it to a plane) but it's a nice little motor to start off with and it plows along quickly. Will try to move the gas tank even further towards the bow to see if that helps.



                              Here's another question:
                              The marina owner told me to make sure to lock down the outboard, that even a 40 year old motor could walk away.

                              Any suggestions for outboard locks?

                              I'll hunt around the forum and online as I'm sure there are some good options, but would appreciate any ideas.

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