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    Well, I'm not entirely certain as to the "why", but I've just acquired a Water Wasp mini boat. Evidently produced with love (?) for two years, 1969 - 1970 in Savage Minnesota. That's the extent of what I know about this floating fiberglass high performance turd.

    Now - what to do with it. I may be suffering from delusions of grandeur thinking that Dad and I are going to do a restoration of sorts on this old seafaring girl (rather, smooth-as-glass water or it'll get swamped, seafaring girl). I mean c'mon, it's 8 feet long and looks pretty simple. How hard could a resto on an obsolete boat manufactured for only two years over forty years ago be? Right? Right?!! (Why am I hearing crickets?)

    So, for now, I'm looking for any information whatsoever on this little barnacle-free-beauty. Any information! I've scoured the web (ok I've spent some time looking, perhaps scouring is too strong a word) and can find very little. A for sale ad out of Cocoa Florida which didn't include a photo, and a thread on another forum that some guy named Hydro claimed to have one in his younger years with a 20-horse that could pull a skier (huh?). That's it. Any other searches for "water wasp" shows a small six-legged black and yellow insect with the same attitude as my ex-wife.

    So now what do I do? I have to figure out some controls, an engine (4-stroke 9.9?), fuel tank, and electricals. To make this a bit more challenging, it doesn't appear that you can access the inner hull. So now I have visions of a sawzall a six foot piano hinge solving that minor concern.

    So, fellow boaters who have the same delusions that I have - unlimited funds, unlimited spare time, and a cooperative bride that fully understands, supports, and embraces these wild nautical impulses - I'm looking for some insight. Anything! Tell me about this boat. Talk to me about the process. Talk to me about setting the hull out next to the garbage toter next Tuesday morning and coming back to my senses.

    Thanks in advance, gents.

    Boat photo is not mine - one of the few I found on the www. Mine is just a hull. Cables are in a box. No handles or anything bolted to the hull. I'll post pics as time progresses.


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    Interesting - that is supposed to have a motor on it? Looks like a pedal boat.
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    well, having never heard of a Water Wasp Mini Boat (of for that fact, Savage, Minnesota ) it appears that sending positive vibes and wishes for good luck are about all I can contribute .... I do find your project to be intriguing and look forward to following your progress .... as has been noted, the closest thing I've seen to the one in your picture is a paddle boat

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    hey bakeys Your new project looks like something they had at a amusement park I went to when I was a kid, late sixties or so there was a park right on lake pontchatrane They had a cool coaster called the zypher Anyway theese litle boats floated around in a man made lake I am pretty sure they ran off of a 12volt battery they didnt go very fast, not a thrill ride. they were like a water version of the old time cars (tin lizzy ride) no bumping allowed, I might be wrong it was 45 years ago good luck with it The handle on the front was for the carnie type guy to wade in and untangle the boats I know my brother and I would try to slam into each other and every body else , keep us updated on your project

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    OK Fellas, just to further reinforce the fact that I haven't been sniffing glue (or fiberglass resin) in regards to mounting an engine, here's an excerpt from another forum. Please don't notify the copyright police.

    By the way, the data plate on the engine mount says up to 10hp. I have an Evinrude Fastwin 18 that may fit. :p


    Hey 20, have no fear, just drive it like you stole it, smile and wave!

    KG- Here is a pic of a boat I had a long time ago that had similar planing issues due to the short 8' length and no way to redistribute weight, except for my butt. I ran a 20 HP motor, spinning a 9 1/2 X 13 two blade prop and it did about 35 MPH. The only way to get it to plane off was to climb out over the front and hang on until the bow leveled and it took off (sound familiar?). Worked the same way with a passenger (note the OH S*** handle behind the seat). Once it planed it was a blast to drive. I just had to get the set-up right. We even pulled skiers behind it, just had to pick them up from another boat with a rope hand off!



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    Aaaaagh ... I can't find anything on it either. I know I've seen one (in pictures) before, but can't find it now. I had a friend who had a different make of two seater and a few years ago I was kinda' looking for one to play with.

    You're not nuts. If you've got the time, go for it. The one we ran in had a 10HP, and I'm thinking anything much more on it woulda' been scary. Pulling a skiier was probably doable if you overpowered it, but there's a good chance that the skiier could pull the boat in a moderate turn. Not sure I'd want to play that game.

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    Nah.... I'm too old for that kind of adrenaline! There's a Merc 9.9 4-stroke on Craigslist I've got my eye on. But I may need help subsidizing a divorce attorney.

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    It looks to me like it should be bolted to a spindle and driving in a circle at the carnival! I believe that was the fate of a lot of these little boats.

    Sorry, I have nothing to add. Keep us updated though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakeys View Post
    KG- Here is a pic of a boat I had a long time ago that had similar planing issues due to the short 8' length and no way to redistribute weight, except for my butt. I ran a 20 HP motor, spinning a 9 1/2 X 13 two blade prop and it did about 35 MPH. The only way to get it to plane off was to climb out over the front and hang on until the bow leveled and it took off (sound familiar?). Worked the same way with a passenger (note the OH S*** handle behind the seat). Once it planed it was a blast to drive. I just had to get the set-up right. We even pulled skiers behind it, just had to pick them up from another boat with a rope hand off!
    This description is very familiar to me from my teenage years in the 1960's when there were several options for this type of craft. While I have not heard of yours before, we had great fun with our Flying Flivers and home-built Mini-Max's. Horsepower increases naturally occurred amongst the group and straight-line speeds were exciting. However, the hard chines on your Wasp will not respond well to high-speed turns. My advice is to take it easy or prepare in advance on how to recover a submerged outboard. BTDT!
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    I also just purchased a Water Wasp, not knowing anything about them other than they have a unique look to them. Mine doesn't have the "hole" up front that I was told was for mounting a flashlight. I bought it from a guy that was running a 20 HP tiller type outboard. He had it rigged for pulley and cable steering, but had to put it in gear and set the throttle over the back of the seat. I passed on the purchase of the outboard. I intended to get 10 - 15 HP outboard with controls on it. But with grandkids and elderly parents, life sometimes gets complicated. I hope to have it on the water next year, but thats what I said about my 14 foot Shell Lake Scamp Deluxe with 30 HP Johnson. I too will appreciate any informationothers can share. I will try to provide pictures.

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    I have seen that hull, but I can not help you with information on the Water Witch.

    Too much adrenaline at your age? I am 67 and here is a 10 footer with a 55 that I frequently ride. As stated above, to get it on plane I need to lean way over the steering wheel. When she finally breaks over into plane, she snaps to the starboard and I need to be ready for that. Once she starts running straight, the fun begins. And yes, I have had the dry side down three times when I got too crazy jumping wakes.

    Oh, by the way, the combination of boat and dog is a "Chick Magnet."

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    Scamp Deluxe (sounds like a seafood dish I ordered once),
    I think a 20 is going to be far too aggressive for this little girl of a wasp. Considering how light the hull is, I'd think a 20 horse would sink it. I spoke to a gentleman yesterday in Minnesota whose had one with the intent to restore for thirty years now. (Do I see a trend here? The dreaded curse of the Water Wasp - they sit around your yard, garage, barn for countless years waiting to be restored.) He had his apart to introduce some more flotation in the hull and to install some stringers to strengthen key areas. He also wanted to add 4" to the hull for stability. But, alas, he had on Craigs for $50 as he said it was "garbage". Another Wasp bites the proverbial dust.

    The idea of external mechanicals just bugs me. With a couple of strategically placed access ports, one could hide the ugly steering cable routing, the control cables, and fuel line within the innards of the hull. A rubber grommeted exit out the back leading to the power plant wold make for a much cleaner look. Seriously, do I need a black fuel hose running along the side of my Wasp? Again, this reiterates my want for more information.

    Scamp, based on photos I've managed to scrounge, the hole in the front is for the navigation light. My light is missing but there's a curious bracket inside that hole that has a thumb screw on the exterior side. (huh?)

    I may have a Water Wasp photo shoot today and will update later.

    Frank, I don't need a chick magnet. The one I've got suits me just fine and considering how long she's tolerated my shenanigans, I'd best keep her.

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    My current gives me a lot of leeway too. And yes, she is enough for me. I don't really want a young-un, but just because I am diabetic doesn't mean I can't look at the sweet sticky buns.

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    Some pics.
    Not National Geographic quality, but it conveys what I want it to.

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    In the third image you can see a bracket of sorts. Not sure of the purpose. Others I've seen had a nav light in this hole.

    Steering wheel had a nice chromed cover with the name "Nautalloy" on it. Nautalloy was a company 20 miles down the road from me. Ironic. It went missing on the trip home. That sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakeys View Post
    Nah.... I'm too old for that kind of adrenaline! There's a Merc 9.9 4-stroke on Craigslist I've got my eye on. But I may need help subsidizing a divorce attorney.
    on your mini boat I would be looking for a 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke. the 2 stroke 9.8's weigh in at 65#, where the 4-stroke is 85#. the worst place you could add weight would be the motor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Danforth View Post
    on your mini boat I would be looking for a 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke. the 2 stroke 9.8's weigh in at 65#, where the 4-stroke is 85#. the worst place you could add weight would be the motor.
    Good call Scott, thanks for that. I thought there may have been a weight consideration but wasn't aware of any actual specs.

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    Looks like it'll be loads of fun when you're done. From the pics, should be able to separate the top from the bottom and run all your control wires in the two access ports already in place. I've seen other "versions" of those little "boats" and they seem to me to be precursors to the jetski. Have fun and keep us posted.
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    That's the kicker, emoney, there are no access ports. From the few images I've been able to find, the steering cable pulleys are mounted to the top of the deck (screwed into the hull). Same with control cables. The only holes going into the hull are screw holes.

    I suppose I should start with rub rail removal to determine if the top and bottom have been sealed / epoxied / glassed together?

    This is why I'm looking for any and all information I can gather.
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    Mine has the pulley and cable screwed into the top of the deck like you mentioned. I have added pictures. The 1st picture shows the set-up of the previous buyer with a 20 HP Merc. 2nd picture from the front may indicate this one is newer than yours.
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    Scamp D, tell me more!
    I don't see any controls on yours. Throttle control on the tiller arm? Sounds a bit risky. How about inside hull access? Non existent? I keep pondering an access panel cut into the back of the seat.
    Would like to hear more!
    I can't open your second attachment.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakeys View Post
    That's the kicker, emoney, there are no access ports. From the few images I've been able to find, the steering cable pulleys are mounted to the top of the deck (screwed into the hull). Same with control cables. The only holes going into the hull are screw holes.

    I suppose I should start with rub rail removal to determine if the top and bottom have been sealed / epoxied / glassed together?

    This is why I'm looking for any and all information I can gather.
    Either split her in half, which would be the least desirable but most effective option, or get the fishing wire out and start stabbing away!
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    There are only a couple of screw holes on the deck by the seat where there apparently were some type of controls removed by a previous owner. I too will have the dilemma of mounting controls and am not ready to split the deck and hull. The guy before me used the throttle on the tiller handle - too risky for me.
    I am just beginning to try and find a 10-15 HP outboard with controls, and then I'll need to figure out the mounting for controls
    I put in a request to see if the Savage Historical Society had any information related to a manufacturer - they didn't, but they have passed my request on to their public library. If I get anything I will share it online.

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    used short shaft 10/15 with controls are the proverbial needle in a haystack. however long shaft's with controls are out there primarily from pontoons and sail boats

    I picked up a long shaft with controls and electric start and a short shaft tiller of the same year for my wooster project. the rest is bolts.
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    Oh the irony!
    Scamp D, we must think alike! The first thing I did when I got the WW was look up Savage, MN and email them for any information regarding this brief burst of brilliance that originated in their humble community. I received an email from Melissa, their local librarian, yesterday indicating that she could find nothing so far. She was going to continue her search. What a chuckle! When did you contact them Scamp?

    What will I find inside the hull? Mine is missing the Nautalloy (made in Port Byron, NY 25 miles from where I'm sitting comfortably in my living room) chrome handles all around. It's also missing the Nautalloy chrome steering cover which I lost while transporting it home from work this past Friday I suspect it came off and rolled into some dingweeds somewhere along my 21-mile commute. I'll do another low and slow drive to work this morning looking for that elusive little chrome nugget. I can only guess that there are strategically placed reinforcements in the hull - wood perhaps to accept the coarse-thread hardware designed to hold the pulleys, handles, and control brackets on? If so, I wonder what condition they are now in. I suspect they'd have to be rotted to some degree. If I remove the rub rail and separate top and bottom halves am i asking for trouble or is this "routine" for a job like this?

    As far as controls, I think for safety, and I may be delusional, that maybe a "hotfoot" gas pedal could be in order. The other option would be a wheel mounted finger pull throttle. How cool would that be?

    Again, any and all insight, assistance, and sympathy are greatly appreciated.

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