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    Parts of the sides of our 1992 Celebrity 200 Cuddy is badly oxidized. We've tried a few "oxidation removing" products with very little-to-no luck. We have a buffer, but due to my arm strengh and/or the buffer......it just isn't happening! A Boat Detailer just cost more than we can afford.
    We'd love to bring back the beautiful color of this boat, but just can't use all of the old arm/shoulder power that we use to have due to my rotator cuff surgery in '07 and wife just doesn't have that much strengh. Anyway, once we get the color back, we will start using our full cover. We were just getting too old (and lazy) to cover it before.
    Anyone who can recommend any product/products for this, it would be greatly appreciated!!

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    Wet sanding then buffing usually does the trick....but that still requires some elbow grease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvBoating View Post
    Parts of the sides of our 1992 Celebrity 200 Cuddy is badly oxidized. We've tried a few "oxidation removing" products with very little-to-no luck. We have a buffer, but due to my arm strengh and/or the buffer......it just isn't happening! A Boat Detailer just cost more than we can afford.
    We'd love to bring back the beautiful color of this boat, but just can't use all of the old arm/shoulder power that we use to have due to my rotator cuff surgery in '07 and wife just doesn't have that much strengh. Anyway, once we get the color back, we will start using our full cover. We were just getting too old (and lazy) to cover it before.
    Anyone who can recommend any product/products for this, it would be greatly appreciated!!
    Sounds like a candidate for the Vaseline application. Buff some onto the boat, let it sit overnight, rub off next morning. You will be amazed at the results. Not permanent, but it usually turns out to look brand new. The only thing (IMO) that removes oxidation is wet sanding and buffing. But applying vaseline definitely works, you just need to do it every season.

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    Default Re: Removing Bad Oxidation

    Obital buffer and #800 or finer wet paper, followed by #1000, then buff. Do not use a spinning buffer for any of this.

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    Just told my wife about your reply and did she get excited.......she is the one that wants to make this 1992 look like a 2010 inside and out! And, that's fine with me. So, Vaseline will be the next thing we try. Will let the forum know how that goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanr623 View Post
    Sounds like a candidate for the Vaseline application. Buff some onto the boat, let it sit overnight, rub off next morning. You will be amazed at the results. Not permanent, but it usually turns out to look brand new. The only thing (IMO) that removes oxidation is wet sanding and buffing. But applying vaseline definitely works, you just need to do it every season.

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    Our buffer is an "orbital" one. So, use the wet paper by hand, then use the buffer.....right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Obital buffer and #800 or finer wet paper, followed by #1000, then buff. Do not use a spinning buffer for any of this.

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    Default Re: Removing Bad Oxidation

    Not all orbital buffer/sanders are created equal.

    This is what I bought to bring back my faded/oxidized gel coat on my boat. Worked like a charm with little effort on my part.....

    http://www.lowes.com/pd_137715-70-73...orbit%2Bsander

    Well worth the initial cost.

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    You need to get you a new surgeon. My rotator cuff was as bad as it gets and mine is stronger than it ever was. They removed an inch of bone, then cleaned up bone spurs, and put 3 titanium anchors in the bone to tie the torn tendons to. I have zero shoulder pain and I abuse my shoulder, I push and pull with it as hard as I ever did. Just lucky I guess. Thank God and Dr Reed.

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    Can you get an 800-1000 grit sandpaper disk to fit an orbital buffer?
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    Default Re: Removing Bad Oxidation

    ^^ I agree with JB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvBoating View Post
    Our buffer is an "orbital" one. So, use the wet paper by hand, then use the buffer.....right?
    Is your buffer like an automotive 8" round buffer ( you know with 2 handles on it kinda thingy ? ) If so that will not do..

    Badly oxidized ? ...

    Got some pics .

    Your not going to get a 2010 look job unless done right..

    We all know how I feel about Vasaline..so I will not start another campaign against it in this thread..

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    Ours was bought at Home Depot for $29. It is a 6" Ryobi Buffer/Polisher 1-speed. We don't spend high dollars, and $129 is high for us, on any kind of tools. I'm a small hand tool person, not the big tools. This buffer/polisher done a nice job on our 16' bowrider in Colorado, but that boat was stored in our garage when not in use. The boat we have now sits on a spot at a Boat/RV storage place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cannondale View Post
    Not all orbital buffer/sanders are created equal.

    This is what I bought to bring back my faded/oxidized gel coat on my boat. Worked like a charm with little effort on my part.....

    http://www.lowes.com/pd_137715-70-73...orbit%2Bsander

    Well worth the initial cost.

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    Your 30 dollar buffer will not buff out your boat...not the way Im thinking you want it..

    A 20 year old oxidized boat...

    There is only one proper way to restore the gel..

    There are other temporary "cures" that might give good results..

    But those temp cures might cause further damage to your gel in the long run..

    As long as you know the pros and cons of both ways.

    Sometimes its better to do nothing right now ( because of cost ) and wait and save/do it right .. than to do something quick and dirty just to make appearances better..

    Just FYI..

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    We're we don't know your feelings about using Vasaline....please tell us. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yacht Dr. View Post
    Is your buffer like an automotive 8" round buffer ( you know with 2 handles on it kinda thingy ? ) If so that will not do..

    Badly oxidized ? ...

    Got some pics .

    Your not going to get a 2010 look job unless done right..

    We all know how I feel about Vasaline..so I will not start another campaign against it in this thread..

    YD.

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    The first thing I/we would ask you is how old you are? I'm going to be 62 in a few months. Our apt. complex maintenance supervisor had a knee replacement done and is still working in maintenance. However, he is 18 yrs younger than me! My surgeon told me to be very careful about the weight I lift and carry. My wife won't even allow me to carry a flat (case) of water into our apt., she does it. That's fine with me. I don't baby my shoulder, but I also don't do anything that would possibly tear the anchors off of the bone either. I've also had hip replacement and can't walk too far without it talkin to me. Had ankle surgery w/2 screws put in in 1988. Too much walking can irritate it. Past surgeries and age sure can slow a person down at times. But, as far as the boat goes, I do my best with it. It's our baby!

    Quote Originally Posted by GatorMike View Post
    You need to get you a new surgeon. My rotator cuff was as bad as it gets and mine is stronger than it ever was. They removed an inch of bone, then cleaned up bone spurs, and put 3 titanium anchors in the bone to tie the torn tendons to. I have zero shoulder pain and I abuse my shoulder, I push and pull with it as hard as I ever did. Just lucky I guess. Thank God and Dr Reed.

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    That $30 buffer done a great job on our old 1989 Bowrider we use to have. The boat we have now was in great looking shape when we bought it in April '09. This oxidation came about due to sitting outside at a storage place all the time without being covered, since we bought it. This is our fault, but we didn't want to keep covering it up after each time we used it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yacht Dr. View Post
    Your 30 dollar buffer will not buff out your boat...not the way Im thinking you want it..

    A 20 year old oxidized boat...

    There is only one proper way to restore the gel..

    There are other temporary "cures" that might give good results..

    But those temp cures might cause further damage to your gel in the long run..

    As long as you know the pros and cons of both ways.

    Sometimes its better to do nothing right now ( because of cost ) and wait and save/do it right .. than to do something quick and dirty just to make appearances better..

    Just FYI..

    YD.

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    Default Re: Removing Bad Oxidation

    How is Buff Magic by Yacht Brite? Anyone use this stuff.......reviews for it are very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvBoating View Post
    The first thing I/we would ask you is how old you are? I'm going to be 62 in a few months. Our apt. complex maintenance supervisor had a knee replacement done and is still working in maintenance. However, he is 18 yrs younger than me! My surgeon told me to be very careful about the weight I lift and carry. My wife won't even allow me to carry a flat (case) of water into our apt., she does it. That's fine with me. I don't baby my shoulder, but I also don't do anything that would possibly tear the anchors off of the bone either. I've also had hip replacement and can't walk too far without it talkin to me. Had ankle surgery w/2 screws put in in 1988. Too much walking can irritate it. Past surgeries and age sure can slow a person down at times. But, as far as the boat goes, I do my best with it. It's our baby!
    I turn 60 next month. I realize I was extremely lucky with my shoulder surgery. I know most people do have a little ongoing pain after major rotator cuff sugery. I had mine done at age 55. I actually tore mine lifting weights with my son when I was in my 40s. I lived with the pain for about 10 years before I had it fixed. It eventually got so bad I couldn't sleep. My wife got tired of hearing me complain and hooked me up with Dr Reed. It was the best thing I ever did. I don't worry about tearing the anchors out, Dr Reed told me I'd retear the tendons before I pulled the anchors out. I think the way he put it was that the shoulder he gave me was stronger than the one God gave me. It did take me close to a year to become 100% pain free but I have been there for several years now.

    Hope I didn't come off the wrong way with my comment. I just got lucky I guess, there is nothing I did before that I can't do with my new shoulder.

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    try this..........

    http://nufinish.com/products.html

    it works on badly faded cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvBoating View Post
    Ours was bought at Home Depot for $29. It is a 6" Ryobi Buffer/Polisher 1-speed. We don't spend high dollars, and $129 is high for us, on any kind of tools. I'm a small hand tool person, not the big tools. This buffer/polisher done a nice job on our 16' bowrider in Colorado, but that boat was stored in our garage when not in use. The boat we have now sits on a spot at a Boat/RV storage place.
    I have one of those inexpensive buffers, too. Tried the same thing.....and that buffer was worthless at getting badly oxidized gelcoat back to any sort of decent look. Not enough "grunt" in the motor. I agree the Porter-Cable orbital sander/buffer I bought was expensive, but it'll last probably as long as I care to use it. I hate spending too much on tools myself, but I also see the justification for spending $$ on quality tools that will do the job properly....and the first time. Otherwise, you'll do a half-a**ed job the first time only to have to repeat all the work a year or so from now---not exactly the smartest scenario. I absolutely hate having to repeat a job and do it twice when I could do it once properly with the appropriate tool. If I'm going to invest the effort and time, I don't want to have to "reinvest" all that effort next year when doing it right the first time would prevent repeating the work.


    Quote Originally Posted by LuvBoating View Post
    How is Buff Magic by Yacht Brite? Anyone use this stuff.......reviews for it are very good.

    I've heard good stuff about Buff Magic, too. But if the oxidation is bad enough, a fairly aggressive cut of rubbing compound and/or good wet sanding is the only option. Buff Magic won't deal well with heavy oxidation. I settled on some 3M auto products....rubbing compound, swirl remover, polish. The orbital sander/buffer with several polishing heads was my choice and I worked a 16' boat's finish over three days back to almost new looking condition.

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    Just a thought

    If you need a buffer go to your tool rental company
    Here they are 10.00 per day
    After you buff the gel the right way you should not need a buffer for a couple more years

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    Just thought I would add my .02 here......Find a professional and have them do it!!! The going rate around here is around $300. Please take it from me - you will be so glad you did!!!

    I personally did NOT do that - and did mine myself. (I am a DIY'er to the core really) I sanded and buffed....and buffed.....and buffed.....and.....buffed.....and then waxed.....and it seemed like every time I would look at the boat at a different angle I would see sanding scratches in "one little spot"....so back to buffing that area. By the end - I wished I would have just hired someone to do it.

    I did get alot of experience with the buffer - I now have a much better understanding of oxidation, gel coat, pinstriping (if your boat is oxidized, there is a good possibility you will ruin the current pinstriping while buffing.) After dropping $70 bucks on rubbing compound, 3m Finesse it II, and polish - AND buying a cheapo buffer at Harbor Freight ($30 or so) AND buying a couple wool cutting pads and a polishing pad (another $60) AND Sandpaper, etc I ultimately saved myself around $130 by doing it myself.....However, the task was spread out over several weekends and there were many frustrating times where I thought I was done, only to find out I needed to "redo" a few areas here and there. (Not to mention the cost I spent on the pinstriping - you may have to do this regardless of who buffs it)

    Overall - I am happy with how my boat looks (I am a perfectionist) - but it took way too long, it was NOT as easy as it sounds - and my time is worth more than the $130 I saved by doing it myself.

    Vasaline - is a bandaid fix. It doesn't remove oxidation - it is basically like shining up dirt.....it will be shiny, but the dirt is still underneath - and will come back soon.

    Don't rent a buffer - just get the variable speed buffer from Harbor Freight for around $30. Trust me - you will need it for more than 3 days! Here is the link. http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-...der-92623.html It comes with the hook & loop attachment - and make sure you buy the hook & loop buffing pads.

    Trust me.....you will wish to God you just hired someone - especially if your oxidation is "Bad"
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    Must say that we are totally AMAZED at how the boat is looking after doing the Vaseline application!! We know that it's not a permanent solution, but for us, it's a heck of a lot easier!! Right now, the colors of the boat are showing up brilliantly!!
    Now, can a nice coat of boat wax be put on later?

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanr623 View Post
    Sounds like a candidate for the Vaseline application. Buff some onto the boat, let it sit overnight, rub off next morning. You will be amazed at the results. Not permanent, but it usually turns out to look brand new. The only thing (IMO) that removes oxidation is wet sanding and buffing. But applying vaseline definitely works, you just need to do it every season.

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    Naw..just keep a couple cans of Jelly on hand .. Might even consider buying a case of spray silicone for your next application..

    I dont think you want to start waxing after you just put unmodified gasoline or trans fluid on your Gelcoat..

    Im thinking your going to have to keep the V system from now on..

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    Luv I agree with the Vaseline remedy. Here are my before and after pics of my boat after trying the V treatment. Granted, I am 100% aware this isn't a fix all or maybe not even the "proper" way to restore shine and color to a boat, but it's an easy fix, short term and suits my needs/wants perfectly.
    020.jpg022.jpg003.jpg002.jpg

    The first 2 (if it worked) is my 1986(?) Performance Plus Magnum 150 before applying Vaseline. The 2nd 2 are after with just a half-butted wipe down.

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